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Non-Rule "Rules"

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Jul 27, 2012.

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  1. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Well-Known Member

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    I'm piling on and agreeing with everybody here, and just put up a similar post in the whnay thread, but emphasizing that while we agree here, there are tons of people with the same theory as craz3d. I remember a thread a couple of months ago that was titled something like, "when you have one really loud element, tone everything down around it", and I was the only one disagreeing.
     
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    To add to what Manton added to this, there are a number of factors that determine how nice the things you end up with are. How much money you have is a big one. Your ability to discern elegant from garish is another. Where you live and therefore what you have access to counts as well. Certainly there are some levels that can only be achieved by spending lots of money. But you can also spend lots of money without any discernment and end up with something terrible. If you develop good taste, then you can make the most of the money you do spend, and determine what more costly items might be worth to you. It's a good idea to try and do this as much as possible before you go spending lots of money, whether for you lots of money means tens of thousands on bespoke clothing or four digits spent on high-end brands on eBay.
     
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    Having not read that thread, that seems like a different sentiment to me than what Crazed expressed. A butcher stripe shirt can be loud, and it's probably wise to not wear it with a loud plaid jacket and loud paisley tie. But to wear something loud to assert your personality and individuality more often than not leads to bad results.
     
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    dieworkwear Well-Known Member

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    To quote Frazier, who I think hit this just right

     
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    Off the top of my head:

    1) Colour and texture must harmonise (not necessarily match, mind you... simply harmonise)
    2) Dark red or burgundy > bright red
    3) At least one major anchor: suit, tie or shirt
    4) At least 2 patterns where possible (the more formal the occasion, the less this applies)
    5) Black shoes with dark red ties
    6) No black shoes where the colours on the upper half are not bold enough to bring about a visual balance
    7) Severe 'pops' of colour are to be avoided
    8) No cartoon ANYTHING!!!
    9) No polo tees with suit pants!!!
    10) Coherence, coherence, coherence (nod to Vox)

    That's it for now.
     
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    You can't wear a watch with a black leather band if your shoes are brown.
    Vice Versa.
    If your watch has a gold bezel, your cuff links must be gold.
    Silver bezel = silver links.
    The above rule also applies to tie clips.

    If your suspenders have black leather runners, your shoes must be black.
     
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    My rule is that if something is gonna be loud it damn better be interesting.
    Things like butcher stripe I find to be loud, yet boring, and doesn't express any personality at all.
    Also, it has to not be ugly.

    Things being incoherent is not a big deal to me. It's ok to get things wrong.
     
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    The problem with grey jackets is that, let's face it, they mostly look good with black jeans and this becomes an SW&D look that I like but that goes very much against what people in MC are attempting so it is a distraction and pretty useless in their wardrobe, they shoulda get some brown thing I'd never wear instead.
     
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    if i was less lazy, i could find pics that seemingly refute this statement. :)
     
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  10. unbelragazzo

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    I still disagree. This the difficulty of having items that are loud. If you wear them with other sedate things, you are effectively only wearing the loud thing. It shouts down everything else, and you don't have an outfit anymore. It's better with other things that also grab attention but complement each other such that the entire thing fits together as a whole. That's difficult to do. And you'll need a huge wardrobe of loud items in order to put together outfits this way. So, yes, putting loud items together is likely to lead to disaster. But putting a loud item together with other boring things guarantees it. For example: you'll often see well-dressed Brits in a conservative solid suit, with a loud striped shirt. But then the tie will also be vibrant and complement the shirt in some way, so it's not just the shirt grabbing attention.
     
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    For instance, leaving the hat and the bag aside, I think this:

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    while not something I would wear, is ok while this:

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    is terrible
     
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    I hate both of them, but I think I get what you're trying to say.

    Loud and interesting, good:
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    loud and uninteresting, bad:
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    lolz, the CBD boys are going to wake up to something shocking.
     
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    mother of god that orange pants thing is terrible...my point in my earlier post was, I don't suggest you ever wear red shoes or green pants...but if you want to wear those green pants and those red shoes and that patterned bowtie, etc., you should wear them put together into something like this, rather than on their own against a blank canvas.

    I guess what I'm saying is, I find it more elegant to have the louder piece "blend" not "pop". Depending on what it is, this can be done without other loud items. Here's a very famous picture of the DoW in a suit that while not bright in color, is loud in pattern. He seems to wear it effortlessly by blending it with the other elements:

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    ok, imagine the patterns as pocketsquares and it's no different from what goes on there.

    Bold things that have nothing else intriguing about them are bad. On all scales.

    Well, that's my rule anyway.
     
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    im not saying they are conceptually different.

    im saying that i cant wait for some people to check into this thread to find leopard print kimonos and green and orage pastel chinos.
     
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    Lol!
     
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    very amusing thread

    here are some of my personal ones

    1. No ties without a jacket
    2, No jackets without a tie
    3. No jackets at a place where someone could show up in jeans
    4. No suede with worsted
    5. No polished calf with tweed
    6. No brown with blue
    7. No impressing or statement making with tailored wear
    8. No blending of fun/sexy and traditional tailored wear
    9. Full dress on Halloween

    :)
     
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    Wow.
     
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    for me it's the other way round
     

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