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NHL 2011-2012 Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by NewYorkIslander, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. Lord-Barrington

    Lord-Barrington Well-Known Member

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    I'm seen as a curmudgeon in this thread because I constantly bitch about practically everything in the NHL aside from the sport itself. I keep thinking that maybe I should reassess my views, but it's damn hard. The terrible refs, the homer play-by-play guys (would Jack Edwards and Paul Steigerwald have jobs anywhere besides the NHL?) the blind fans, and of course the league itself which often seems to be run like a banana republic (not the store, of course).

    Hockey is a wonderful sport but so much of the NHL product is awful.
     
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  2. Patrick James

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    Calling it awful is a bit of hyperbole, but the game's imperfections are likely why I love it so much.
     
  3. Lord-Barrington

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    It might be a bit strong but if I consider it as a business product, it's pretty lacklustre.
     
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    Hahahah these are so awesome. I would love to know what the conversations with the video review guys are like. I can't even make up a witty faux conversation it is just that ridiculous.

    I won't go as far as LB to say the NHL is awful but I will say that IIHF is fucking kickass. World Juniors owns, Olympic hockey owns. I would much rather watch games like Finland - Norway than say FLA - Dallas or something.
     
  5. AR_Six

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    Really? The reffing in international hockey is notoriously worse. Like bad enough that commentators actually openly discuss it as a factor which will influence the outcome of games, which I haven't often heard in an NHL game.
     
  6. Lord-Barrington

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    I think reffing is bad at all levels in hockey, not just the NHL. The NHL refs are the cream of a relatively bad crop.
     
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    The Washington/ Lightning game has been insanely entertaining.
     
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    Reffing ain't easy. Just sayin'.
     
  9. jarude

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    except the part where washington won despite TB having a pp for half of OT :facepalm: for some reason thompson/moore shoot instead of MSL/stamkos? i like you boucher, but really...


    i like IIHF since it shows off different styles of the game and the strengths/weaknesses of each country. national pride is a good motivator too... you would see guys like demitra (RIP) who would be kinda "eh" in NHL play but would come alive and light it up for their motherland. that and seeing star-studded rosters in canada/usa is just damn fun to watch. team canada 2011 was a fucking juggernaught and they didn't even have talents like stamkos.

    what I dont understand is the european disparity in talent. finland and sweden own, norway sucks and has been a non-entity until recently despite those nations forming a geographical sandwich. countries like holland and england have non-existant hockey programs, but nextdoor germany is an olympic competitor. the dutch can speed skate like nobody's business though, thats for sure... get those farm kids some sticks and make it happen.
     
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    Man things were jumping off here in Winnipeg yesterday night. Pro-Habs contingent out of St. Boniface were out in full force. Kudos to Montreal for playing well. Hopefully the Jets can get their act together.
     
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    +1... I was wondering the same thing. I mean, why the hell would you not pick those two?!
     
  12. AR_Six

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    Two gnarly hits from behind in the VAN - CBJ game yesterday on Henrik and Samuelsson, neither should be suspensions but given what happened to Zucarello I'm interested to see if there's a video today.
     
  13. Lord-Barrington

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    Culture. England, Holland, Norway, France, etc. have little or no hockey culture which is why they continue to be a non-factor in that sport. Hockey demands a fairly significant infrastructure and if there's no demand for it, kids don't play and if kids don't play, talent never develops. It's the same reason European countries such at baseball.
     
  14. AR_Six

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    Mckenzie is reporting that they may move detroit to SE and Winnipeg to Central division. That's stupid. My proposed realignment:

    Northwest: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota
    Central: Detroit, Columbus, Chicago, St. Louis, Pittsburgh
    Pacific: Anaheim, L.A., San Jose, Phoenix, Colorado

    Southeast: Florida, Tampa, Carolina, Dallas, Nashville
    Atlantic: Philly, NYR, NYI, New Jersey, Washington
    Northeast: Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Boston, Buffalo

    This means The SE loses Winnipeg and Washington and gains Dallas and Nashville. The central loses Nashville and gets Pittsburgh. The Pacific loses Dallas and gets Colorado. The Atlantic loses Pittsburgh and gets Washington. And the Northwest loses Colorado and Gets Winnipeg. Teams switching conferences are Dallas, Nashville, Winnipeg and Pittsburgh.

    Map it out. Makes sense geographically.
     
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    Geographically it makes a lot of sense. The only problems I'd have is that you're breaking up the Atlantic and its natural rivalries and the "new" Southeast division would be so weak it would be an afterthought. It would be the "sick man" of hockey, even more than it is now.

    But I agree that a Winnipeg for Detroit swap is stupid.
     
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    its on LB. my underachieving group of fogies against your injury-depleted midgets.
     
  17. AR_Six

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    1. New rivalries will develop, and 2. Teams get better and worse. A few years ago the NW was by far the best division in hockey, now it's the worst. The southeast used to be weak because Washington's suckery was dragging down the cup-contending Hurricanes. I think the main problem with that shift is moving Pitt to the west, which causes a bunch of pens games to start at 9 et, but it's the move that makes the most sense in terms of geography.
     
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    Over-under on someone inexplicably suffering a season ending knee injury during the warm-ups?
     
  19. Lord-Barrington

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    I agree that the strength of teams waxes and wanes but I don't know if a division featuring five small market teams will ever do well and breaking up one of the leagues most successful divisions seems counter intuitive.

    Although rivalries can develop quickly, I think historical rivalries, especially those based on geography such as Pitt/Philly, are worth gold.
     
  20. jarude

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    :lol: price or iginla. just end the season for both teams then and there.

    god i love the habs arena guy. david... deharnAH! mathieu... DARCH! love the french.

    ...hate home opener shenanigans. flames one was awful. at least i get sweet accents for entertainment.

    edit: hahaha did subban get booed in his intro??!
     
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