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Need help matching shoes, belt and pocket square

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Logen, Jul 25, 2013.

  1. Logen

    Logen Member

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    Dressing up for sisters wedding. People haven't seen me in about a year and a half and I want to look extra sharp.
    I'm 24 light skin blond hair and very slim.

    So I need to choose a belt, shoes and a pocket square to go with a dark charcoal gray sports coat, white dress slacks, and a light gray dress shirt (no tie).

    I don't know how comfortable I would feel with brown shoes, but I'm not dismissing the Idea completely. I was thinking gray shoes but im mot sure it would work (does that mean I need a gray belt?). Something like this - [​IMG]

    Regarding the pocket square I have no idea but I think I need something to pop the whole thing up a bit.

    UPDATE - Here is a picture of what I’m aiming for – the guy in the middle.
    [​IMG]
     
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  2. Logen

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    Alex Dumortier Well-Known Member

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    Unless money is no object, the purchase of a pair of grey shoes doesn't seem like the best investment -- grey is certainly less versatile than brown.
     
  4. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Well-Known Member

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    Brown or black shoes would be a far better choice than grey shoes. Black shoes are better for evening weddings (you don't say what time this is), but brown shoes look better with white or off white trousers. Medium brown / chestnut would probably be perfect assuming this is a summer wedding. Black shoes call for a black belt; brown shoes call for a brown belt in a reasonably similar color.

    To be blunt, white trousers, a light grey shirt and charcoal sport coat does not sound like a promising start to an outfit. The light grey shirt sounds the worst, followed by the charcoal sport coat. White or cream trousers can be a good look during the summer, but to put it with a grey "dress" shirt (most of which look awful) and a sport coat that if anything is wintery is not a good plan. It's summer; wear some color (try pale blue, pink or lilac). And put on a tie unless you've been told the wedding is ultra-casual. For that matter, check with your sister to be sure guests aren't showing up in suits (maybe you have, but I have to mention it since a lot of people don't).

    I wouldn't bother with a pocket square sans tie, but if you must do a pocket square, stick to plain white linen.
     
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  5. Douglas

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    no offense, but your whole outfit sounds like a train wreck. it's probably why you're not getting much response. someone will tell you to go get light grey summer trousers, a navy sportcoat, white shirt, black shoes and belt, white pocket square. If they all fit well you will look outstanding.

    If this goes as typical on here, you will have reasons why you want to go with what you want, you'll discount the advice, and just buy what you want.

    Which is fine, but you won't look great by SF standards. Whether or not you like those standards is up to you.

    Are the pants really white?
     
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  6. Logen

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    Ok so just to answer a few things that came up here.
    Yes the pants are really really white. The jacket is very dark, in some lighting you will almost confuse it with black. As for the shirt it's a light gray Calvin Klein.

    And probably the most important part, no one is going to be wearing a suit. I think most people will just be with a dress shirt and slacks, maybe a few with a tie. The wedding is at night. So I do think I will stand out.

    Why is this such a horrible combination?
     
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  7. Douglas

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    :bigstar:
     
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    So you are basically saying that white pants will not go with a very dark jacket?
    What can I do to "save" the outfit? I like the jacket, so what color shirt and slacks should I wear (I don't want it to be a suit)
     
  9. Jackinthebox

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    Yes... you will stand out. As the guy who overdresses for the occasion. If nobody wears a suit, you are going a big statement then and there. Consider it's about the bride and the groom, not about you.

    If you want to dress sharp: good Chino/jeans, shirt and tie. Black shoes. You will be among the most elegantly dressed, yet you will not stand out with such a bold statement.
     
  10. Veremund

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    Wear the outfit you want. But with black shoes and a black belt. Since everything will be black white or grey, wear any colour pocket square you like. Lilac was a good suggestion.
     
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    You won't be overdressed. It's your sister's wedding! You should have a jacket on at the very least! A black knit tie would also be in order and would look great.
     
  12. chogall

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    Please don't match non-black belt to non-black shoes, ever. Not the same shade of brown. Not the same kind of material. Not by the same makers.
     
  13. Douglas

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    I'm not trying to be a jerk here, so please try to take this at face value.

    You sound like someone who is trying to emulate what you see "stars" wear on TV. People like musicians, athletes, actors at awards shows. If that's how you want to dress, more power to you, but you are not going to find much to support you here on this site. The zeitgeist of this site and its membership tends towards a more classical style of dress. Don't confuse that with formality or an overreliance on suits - sportcoats and trousers are well-loved here, but in more conservative, classical, less fashion-oriented modes.

    That's not to say there aren't trends on here. That's not to say there isn't some form of groupthink. And even then, no one opinion encapsulates the forum. But there is general agreement on some concepts. I think that, in general, grey shirts, grey shoes, and grey belts are probably relatively unanimously unloved. Spend some time in the "what are you wearing today" thread to see the sorts of outfits that are loved on here. Maybe you'll look at them and think "what a bunch of bores these guys are." Which is your prerogative to think, of course, but then you should also realize that these guys aren't going to be your best source of help given the style you seem to want to pursue. Or perhaps you'll think "hm, that is different than what I have conceived of as good dress, but there's something to it. Let me stick around for a while." And you'll slowly learn, as most of us have. There are some really fantastic dressers on here and most of us slowly learned, or are still learning, how to do what they do. Or maybe you'll love it from the start, who knows.

    SF is about good tailoring, great quality, wearing things that fit, and classic, relatively timeless combinations over flashiness and trends. It's almost decidedly not about peacocking with bright colors or dramatic elements. It's about standing out by having something almost sublimely classic, standing out by not standing out.

    That may not be for you. You have to decide.

    Specific criticisms of what you've proposed:

    Charcoal as a sportcoat is difficult. Is it solid, or patterned? Weight? Material? Sheen? Your most basic classic sportcoat will always be the navy blazer, and as you start out wanting nice clothes, you'll find it's the ultimate piece of clothing. When you start, you'll make a lot of mistakes trying to get something amazing that will blow the ladies away, but over time, as you mature with this hobby, should you choose to accept it, you'll realize simple navy, well-tailored, perhaps with details you like, is the way you should have gone in the first place.

    The charcoal SC also limits your potential trouser matchings, but white sounds atrocious to me. If you must stick with it, though it's probably not totally SF-approved, I'd go with a white shirt, well-fitting black trousers, and black shoes and belt, white square, simple fold. It will be monochromatic, sort of the look you're going for, but much more elegant.

    Buy a decent pair of shoes. Not zooty ones. Maybe just a pair of Allen Edmonds Park Avenues. And a good linen square. White button-down oxford. Make sure everything fits.

    Have fun, good luck.
     
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  14. archibaldleach

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    No, no and no. He's not talking about wearing a suit, so there's no issue there. A jacket without a tie or jacket with tie is not going to make him stand out if there are some other people wearing ties there. Also, tie with no jacket is just an awful look unless OP wants to look like an intern playing dress up. And chinos / jeans with a tie? WTF, really? This is a wedding for goodness sakes.
    You won't find a lot of love for grey odd jackets here, especially ones that are charcoal colored. They're just not very versatile. A slight off-white or cream color is more useful for trousers than pure white, which to me looks strange up against dark grey. It's like mixing a look from summer with one from winter. I can live with white linen personally but don't care for white trousers in any other material. And light grey dress shirts almost inevitably look cheap. If you had to change one thing in the outfit to make it look better, I'd go with a light blue, pink or lilac shirt in place of the grey. I'm not a huge fan of the charcoal odd jacket idea but I don't see many jackets looking great with the grey dress shirt. Also note that pink looks great with dark grey. You will not stand out as overdressed in a jacket and no tie. If at least a few people are wearing jacket and tie (but not a suit), you will be fine in this. One would expect family of the bride and groom to be among the better dressed, so if you're dressed better than most, just make sure you don't outshine the bride and groom and you will be fine.
     
  15. TM79

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    This. Scrap your entire original notion and start over, honestly.

    Nothing about the original outfit seems good.
     
  16. Jackinthebox

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    I love the complete nerdiness of what's being appropriate. It's clear that reading the situation is rather though, so let's work this out.

    He will be the one with a jacket.

    1. His family won't use jackets.
    2. Her family won't use jackets.
    3. Neither do their friends.

    Obviously they are perfectly happy and comfortable without dressing up. And they are 100% right, it's their wedding. What's disrespectful in showing up in a nice jeans and tie if that's what his sister obviously prefers?

    In comes the brother, who they haven't seen in a long time. Let's go stand out and go smart. So what's the message here? Look how good I dress and your friends suck? Look how sophisticated I became (which is a lie considering he needs advice here).

    I am 100% sure that's not what he wants to convey, but that is what people can think... why they take that utterly unneccesary risk? What's the upside of dressing up?

    Show up in nice natural clothes and be there for her. Don't try to be someone you aren't. especially when you haven't seen them in 18 months (!)

    Dress for the occasion.
     
  17. TM79

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    While you make some OK points here, you also told the kid to dress like a cellphone salesman in your first post so there's that.
     
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  18. Veremund

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    Just. No.
     
  19. archibaldleach

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    He didn't say that nobody would be wearing a jacket; he said that nobody would be wearing a full suit and tie. He expects trousers and dress shirts and that some will be wearing ties as well. An odd jacket without a tie is just not going to stand out in that environment and is not exactly on a different plane of formality from trousers, shirt and tie, which he has already said some people will be wearing. He's not talking about wearing a suit or a tuxedo here. Get a grip. Your use of language like "Look how good I dress and your friends suck?" is an obvious straw man. Learn how to make an actual argument and address the points being made rather than your delusional caricature of the conversation. I also don't see where he says that his sister prefers him to wear jeans and a tie or how this would be "obvious" to anyone; that is pure made up conjecture on your part. The only time it would be remotely appropriate to wear jeans to a wedding is if that is what the bride and groom have asked people to do. There's nothing wrong with trying to look nice for a family member's wedding. The main thing you don't want to do is outshine the bride and groom and I already covered that point in my prior post.
     
  20. jaywhyy

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    I've seen some bad advice, but black shoes with jeans and a tie with no jacket? Aiyo
     
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