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"Necessary" Sport Coats:

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Newcomer, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. whnay.

    whnay. Well-Known Member

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    I looked at mafoofan's blog and I think collared shirts suits look really weird on him because of his short neck ~_~;;. He may have really expensive suits, but he is definitely not WEARING the suit. Drop the douchebaggery and pompous snobbery, and maybe the suits will look better on you. Your Ivy league education isn't that special anymore.

    This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
     
  2. nahneun

    nahneun Well-Known Member

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    Eh...mafoofan's criticism seems a bit unwarranted at times, given how unnatural he looks in his own suits.
     
  3. SkinnyGoomba

    SkinnyGoomba Well-Known Member

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    I looked at mafoofan's blog and I think collared shirts suits look really weird on him because of his short neck ~_~;;. He may have really expensive suits, but he is definitely not WEARING the suit. Drop the douchebaggery and pompous snobbery, and maybe the suits will look better on you. Your Ivy league education isn't that special anymore.

    Dude you have 58 posts, not nearly enough to start a fight.

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    these are my two favorites, but i also quite enjoy a deconstructed flannel in navy with patchies (though it needs some tailoring work).

    I feel my sportcoat collection far from complete however i could use a few more tweeds, and a linen jacket or 3.

    I feel sportcoats fill the gaps in dressing that i dont nessecarily need to fill with suiting.
     
  4. eg1

    eg1 Well-Known Member

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    We're not as zany as people think.

    Vox, eleven? Holy smokes.


    That is entirely possible. I only ever drove through San Fran once, and I did not stop -- I was travelling down California State Route 1 on my motorcyle (which is great as long as you can get on the road before all the %&*$% RVs ... [​IMG]).

    Other than that, what I know of San Fran is what is available in the media, and from that perspective, being able to walk the street without drawing attention to yourself by virtue of your dress strikes me as a bar too low to merit mention. [​IMG]
     
  5. Will

    Will Well-Known Member

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    That is a beautiful cloth and it is hard to fault foo for choosing it. But much of what Norcal says is correct. For whatever reasons, dress sometimes comes down to the whole being an inverse to the sum of the parts. Too many beautiful things together don't always mean elegance, sometimes they just mean you look like you are wearing a lot of nice stuff. I make that mistake all the time.

    Well said.

    I love foo's tie. If only the shirt was a solid.
     
  6. nahneun

    nahneun Well-Known Member

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    Dude you have 58 posts, not nearly enough to start a fight.

    I didn't know post counts were indicative of one's ability to make observations.
     
  7. SkinnyGoomba

    SkinnyGoomba Well-Known Member

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    I didn't know post counts were indicative of one's ability to make observations.

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  8. nahneun

    nahneun Well-Known Member

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    surprise! [​IMG]

    My last three years of university have been a lie [​IMG]
     
  9. edmorel

    edmorel Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand how people can say Foo does not dress elegantly [​IMG] Forget about the expensive bespoke clothes/great fit stuff, I find his color schemes to be impeccable. Are they exciting? No. But he looks like exactly what he is, a very well dressed man wearing very well made clothing. How any of this can be "improved" is beyond me. I do not share all the same tastes as the man, I hate striped ties and those tiny knots and prefer some bolder patterns but seriously, people need to stop this nonsense. Of any member that I have seen post pics on here or anywhere else on the net, I'd rather wear his stuff (iammatt would actually be first but I don't want to be accused of sycophancy [​IMG]). I also don't get this "douchbag" BS, are you serious?? he is a lawyer, comes off a bit gruff at times but he is nothing if not a gentleman when he is getting attacked. The guy is short with funny proportions (head/feet) and he looks very young so at times he looks weird but there are a lot of people here that are making suggestions to foo that would be better off learning from the man.
     
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  10. nahneun

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    It's not his style that I have a problem with; I think he DOES know HOW to dress. Rather, the problem lies in how he presents himself in said clothes. There is a grossly unnatural vibe he gives off when he wears those clothes. His rigid posture does no justice to the suits he purchases. I'm sure he is a nice person with good intentions, but nice people can be douchebags too. He carries a rather pompous air, which can be seen in how he posts. The haughty "I have the money to buy this stuff while you don't so I am infinitely better dressed than you" attitude is a bit off-putting.
     
  11. Film Noir Buff

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    Foo: you're a small guy, so bright colors and bold patterns make it look like you are trying way too hard (Napoleon complex) and it risks becoming a costume. Given your smaller size and profession, I would argue that you should be even more classicly dressed than me I think you have your model of dress flipped - instead of bold jacket and simple shirts, you might be far better off the other way around. Much more classic jackets (not boring, just less bold), and more interesting shirts and accessories from Anna and E. Marinella and others. Do people notice you or your clothes first? It should always be you. Especially in your profession. Clothes frame the face. I would focus more on classics with some unique twist, which I'm sure Rubinacci can provide, with some of his exclusive fabric sources. this jacket below is just too over-the-top, imho, and if my lawyer walked up to me dressed like this, I would definitely wonder about him, even if it was on the weekend. There's a reason everybody likes Il Vecchio and Soph in WAYWN and why Cary Grant and Agnelli are timeless [​IMG]
    Some of what you're saying is true but a small person needs to dress very expensively and well fitted to countermand being considered a child or a toy. I think expensive accessories and color can help with that image. I think he could also benefit from wearing some dark suits with stripes, not chalk stripes but a narrowly spaced, thin and yet distinct pinstripe. And he really needs to button that collar.
     
  12. dkzzzz

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    I have a hard time picking up non brown sport coats. Why teh hell that color is so prevalent?.
     
  13. NorCal_1

    NorCal_1 Well-Known Member

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    Some of what you're saying is true but a small person needs to dress very expensively and well fitted to countermand being considered a child or a toy. I think expensive accessories and color can help with that image. I think he could also benefit from wearing some dark suits with stripes, not chalk stripes but a narrowly spaced, thin and yet distinct pinstripe.


    I agree FNB....dressing expensively for a smaller guy is probably a good thing to get noticed but it can just as easily backfire (I can't imagine him wearing that sportcoat to a firm-wide Partner's weekend summer party and not getting odd looks from colleagues about him trying too hard)

    I wish the Rubinacci fabric books were online to peruse through because it would make this discussion a lot easier - I'm not saying he's not an elegant dresser in general because he is, I'm saying the sportcoat he picked isn't elegant, at least to my eye (would Cary Grant or Agnelli be seen in that outfit? I doubt it)

    there are too many personal attacks on Foo and that is not what I intended in my critique

    this thread was supposed to be about sportcoats and what works best to start a wardrobe

    I wish we had 20 Rubinacci fabrics to sort through to talk about pro's and con's of each as a long lived garment choice and not get into personal attacks on people
     
  14. nahneun

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    Some of what you're saying is true but a small person needs to dress very expensively and well fitted to countermand being considered a child or a toy. I think expensive accessories and color can help with that image. I think he could also benefit from wearing some dark suits with stripes, not chalk stripes but a narrowly spaced, thin and yet distinct pinstripe. And he really needs to button that collar.
    How old you are considered depends on how you present and carry yourself, not on how expensive the clothing you wear is.
     
  15. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Well-Known Member

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    I agree FNB....dressing expensively for a smaller guy is probably a good thing to get noticed but it can just as easily backfire (I can't imagine him wearing that sportcoat to a firm-wide Partner's weekend summer party and not getting odd looks from colleagues about him trying too hard) I wish the Rubinacci fabric books were online to peruse through because it would make this discussion a lot easier - I'm not saying he's not an elegant dresser in general because he is, I'm saying the sportcoat he picked isn't elegant, at least to my eye (would Cary Grant or Agnelli be seen in that outfit? I doubt it) there are too many personal attacks on Foo and that is not what I intended in my critique this thread was supposed to be about sportcoats and what works best to start a wardrobe I wish we had 20 Rubinacci fabrics to sort through to talk about pro's and con's of each as a long lived garment choice and not get into personal attacks on people
    There are no "Rubinacci Fabric Books." They use the same fabrics other tailors do for the vast majority of things.
     
  16. Film Noir Buff

    Film Noir Buff Well-Known Member

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    I agree FNB....dressing expensively for a smaller guy is probably a good thing to get noticed but it can just as easily backfire (I can't imagine him wearing that sportcoat to a firm-wide Partner's weekend summer party and not getting odd looks from colleagues about him trying too hard) I wish the Rubinacci fabric books were online to peruse through because it would make this discussion a lot easier - I'm not saying he's not an elegant dresser in general because he is, I'm saying the sportcoat he picked isn't elegant, at least to my eye (would Cary Grant or Agnelli be seen in that outfit? I doubt it) there are too many personal attacks on Foo and that is not what I intended in my critique this thread was supposed to be about sportcoats and what works best to start a wardrobe I wish we had 20 Rubinacci fabrics to sort through to talk about pro's and con's of each as a long lived garment choice and not get into personal attacks on people
    Well clothes can backfire for anyone. The more I learn about the importance of clothes and the signals they give off, the more amazed I am that the subject gets very little education. I suppose the same can be said about sex, marriage, relationships etc.. would be nice if they taught this stuff in school. And i wasn't suggesting that you attacked Foo. I think Mafoofan is going in the right direction and should dress himself in very fitted, obviously expensive clothes. I don't know that elegance is a necessary ingredient, I would think power or sophistication would be better. But then there are several view points for all of us, how we want to dress, how other people react to what we wear and how we should dress for the effect we want (whether we realize we want that specific effect or not). I think button downs are a bad idea for him. Maybe what you mean is too much contrast between top and bottom make him appear smaller?
     
  17. NorCal_1

    NorCal_1 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe what you mean is too much contrast between top and bottom make him appear smaller?

    EXACTLY
     
  18. Bellum

    Bellum Well-Known Member

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    I absolutely, positively adore myself...possibly more than anyone on the Interwebz.

    bunch of pics

    - B


    Fixed.

    +1 on the square, though not with the 4 patterns.

    What's with the bifurcated tie?

    It looks like the skinny back-bit is sharing stage with the front blade.

    Not sure about this.

    B


    Some sort of ridiculous affectation. Good points about travel clothing, braised.
     
  19. Mr. Moo

    Mr. Moo Well-Known Member

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    Fixed.

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  20. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Well-Known Member

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    Seriously, having no simple sportcoats would strike me as unreasonable, and having only simple sportcoats would strike me as tending towards inelegance. None of foo's sportcoats are out there, or bizarre. Certainly none of them are as loud as what I might wear, and I don't believe I have offended anybody by showing up at their office, or shocked anybody with boldness while walking down the street.
    Yes, this. I can understand working in an environment that demands an understated wardrobe, but let's not confuse a workplace dictat with true elegance. Neither Astaire nor the Duke dressed like office drones, or like their clothing was just on display in a men's shop window. Clothing is about personal expression, and true elegance, IMO, is knowing when to enjoy exuberance and when to practice restraint. Erring on the side of caution is usually wise, but it's possible to go too far in that direction, just as it's possible to go too far in the other.
     

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