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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. Tried and True

    Tried and True Well-Known Member

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    Lot a toys in that boys attic.
     
  2. edmorel

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    we are basically saying the same thing, except you think that adding Love makes them a better team (and most people seem to think that adding Love to any team instantly makes them better). When you look at the pre-Love Cavs, what they are missing is defense, not scoring. You can make the case that they need rebounding and Love helps them there but Irving/James/Waiters/Thompson/Varejao are all known quantities and that should be enough offense for any team when you look at the stats. That is before Bennet or Wiggins add anything. So you get rid of Wiggins, Bennet, Thompson. You are probably a bit better offensively, but you are giving up a lot of depth, you are putting tremendous pressure on Varejao to be the sole interior defender/rim protector. LeBron has gaurd the other team's best wing player and also play inside when Love is outside shooting. I don't know that Love's game makes this Cavs team better than keeping all their pieces (they have Mike Miller for 3's). Yes, Love is a better player than all of them individually, but is the team better?


    Anyway, I promise this is my last Love post, I hope he goes to Cleveland and they run the table and go undefeated for the season. I got my own team to worry about.
     
  3. edmorel

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    well, if you look at it that way then you should trade Kobe/Duncan/Jordan/Durant etc etc rather than keeping them when they were drafted.. At some point you look at a pick, see how it plays in practice (and Summer League) and say to yourself, "this is as sure a thing is it gets."
     
  4. foodguy

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    not exactly what i was saying. of course there's value in draft choices, but i just don't think there's as much value as is ascribed to them today. When you've got a situation where you're balancing a proven all-star who is just going into the prime of his career against a kid who played a couple really good years in college ... well, i'd like to be on the other side of that negotiation.
     
  5. edmorel

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    well, if the trade is 1 for 1, all else being equal, of course you do it. But that's not the case here.

    My opinion here is, that when you look at that roster and you say what do we need on this team, I don't think the answer is more offense (at the expense of depth and a possible lock down defender). We both follow teams that have had the win now at all costs mentality blow up in their faces (remember the sure to be unstoppable Bryant/Gasol/Howard/Nash team?). The cost here is not simply Wiggins for he who shall not be named, its Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson (who by the way is a 12/10 guy) and any future cap flexibility. I just don't think its the slam dunk that everyone else thinks it is.
     
  6. foodguy

    foodguy Well-Known Member

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    good points.
    and let's not forget:

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  7. Hombre Secreto

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    All the trade talks I've seen don't mention Thompson.

    Look love isn't a minus defender. He's an average defender. Wolves don't lose more points with him. But on average they score 10 more points with him. That's a ridiculous point differential.
     
  9. Brothersport

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    i don't think it's a slam dunk for wiggins + bennett and a possible 1st. that's a really really really good haul for a team that needs to jettison a star/superstar. i think it should be a slam dunk for klay/barnes/lee, esp for that team, but that's not in play now obviously. ed, i do agree with many of your concerns, but not enough to change my opinion. :thumbs-up:
     
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  10. SirGrotius

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    I think LeBron looks much better post his carb cut. I'm surprised it's only 10 pounds down; looks like more. I thought he was getting beefy last year, and this will be a good move for someone entering his late 20s/early 30s and playing so many minutes.
     
  11. wojt

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    Agreed, also defensive rebounding is a part of defense, think of every offensive rebound as of a turnover because it's the impact it has. Love is okay, he is not a rim protector, so obviously they need to pair him with defensive minded center and they are set. That's why Pek and Love were ultimately not a perfect fit, no NBA level rim protection there.

    But I can see where you are coming from Ed maybe in the long run your version might prove right. However there's also LBJ 2years contract factor. LBJ is in his prime now, likely they won't win in his first year there. If Cavs managment has any sense they won't go and waste his prime years babysitting a team of talented young players, but give him guys who are somewhat more proven in the NBA.

    Also about Grizz; they are a bit neglected look at Vegas odds for example;
    Charlotte Hornets 60/1
    New York Knicks 60/1
    Toronto Raptors 60/1
    Memphis Grizzlies 60/1
    Brooklyn Nets 60/1

    Really? Same chances as Knicks and Nets?
    Maybe I'll be 10$ on them LOL.
     
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  12. edmorel

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    The rumor/joke making the rounds of the sports sites is that LeBron's carb cut is actually a PED's cut :)

    So assume you are on the Sixers. Obviously management wants the team to win in the 20 game range so that they can stock themselves with more picks. The team is something like 20-25 million under the minimum cap, money they have to spend. So you are MCW or Noel on rookie contracts or any of those guys on veterans minimum contracts. The options are, Sixers spend some money on some average talent that will definitely help now and may help down the road (Blatche, Beasley,Okafor) or spend money and try and pry Bledsoe away or maybe sign Monroe and then worry about Noel/Monroe/Embiid next year. Or, keep the team as is, be a company man and pocket the difference between the payroll and the minimum cap which is they stay 20 million under or so, it would work out to an extra $1-2mln in each players pocket.

    So as a player would you want the team to try and get better today/take on a large expiring contract etc or stay as is, stink, have a great chance for a number 1 pick next year (although the top 5-10 projections for next year are bigs and that point guard that went to China, positions where Sixers should be set) and get an extra $1-2 mln for your troubles?
     
  13. Neo_Version 7

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    Jordan never needed any stinkin PEDs
     
  14. SirGrotius

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    Well, there could be a new lottery system, which would change the calculus quite a lot.
     
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    Tbh tho I'd rather overpay love than klay and you know klays going to demand a lot of money and some desperate team is going to bite. They're going to kick themselves later for this
     
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  16. indesertum

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    Seriously tho in an era without the spacing provided by three point shooting I don't comprehend how somebody could average 50 points a game over a whole season. And we go crazy over durant scoring 30 ppg
     
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  17. Brothersport

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    i think 50 is one of those stats that's kind of unfathomable, like it really doesn't make sense. lots of stats ppl put an asterisk on it, because he
    a) avg'd 48.5 min/g (!!!!!)
    b) the avg pace in his games was 131.1 (the avg pace now is <100)

    this dude on reddit broke it down nitty-gritty like (http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1vta75/a_look_at_wilt_chamberlains_stats_when_adjusting/) and thinks that, scoring-wise, wilt's 50 season should be second to jordan's 37 ppg season and kobe's crazy 35 ppg season.

    i don't think i agree w/ him (wilt should get credit for being able to play every single minute and dominating the whole time, and i feel like the 50 more accurately expresses how much better wilt was on O than every other big in the league), but the adjusted numbers really do help when contextualizing.
     
  18. wojt

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    His stats are nearly impossible to replicate now, but then again so they were then. 50ppg/game is crazy, try scoring 50points in any game, no matter the level of competition.
    And yeah 48,5mpg... dude never fauled out :happy: Myabe even harder record to beat! I hold centers that came after him in higher regard because of the fact they faced tougher competition and had more developed skills but still his achievements are very impressive.

    Also 50,37,35 seasons had one thing in common, those teams were bad :rotflmao:
     
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  19. indesertum

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    Those are good points. Pace is something I didn't think about
     
  20. diadem

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    Lol Knicks making a splash acquiring Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw...
     

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