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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. RFX45

    RFX45 Well-Known Member

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    Difference is the Knicks are practically the same team as last year. Melo is balling right now, Chandler is there, Fat Felton, JR Smith, same coach, etc...

    Lakers are just shot chuck full of injuries. I mean look at the roster even before all their PGs went down and you'd swear the teams from a Dleague.

    I posted this a few months back of the Lakers media day and you'd think Kobe got lost with the LA Defenders.
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    RFX45 Well-Known Member

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    Read this report yesterday and I think the Suns are making a big mistake by putting a big name player in a system they already have working well. I mean the chances of them winning a championship with the current roster is probably almost none but I am not sure who could fit in with them now especially since I think the the players are playing so well because there isn't that one big star in the roster that takes the ball from them shooting 25-30 times per night.

    What do you guys think? I think they can make it past the first round depending on who they play with the current roster.


     
  3. indesertum

    indesertum Well-Known Member

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    when i watched laker games when kobe came back it seemed to me that he was being more a play maker more than a shooter trying to get double teams. nobody really double teamed him, he couldn't really pivot and get fadeaways off, but he was surprisingly good at getting key passes to the right players. i think kobe could contribute, but we'll see what happens when nash gets back. tho i highly doubt either of them will contribute a ton
     
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    the problem isn't kobe. he's smart and will make the right pass when it's avaialble. it's everybody else stopping to watch what he does. nobody dives, nobody rotates. they might as well order a beer and sit with Jack.
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    fuck, now pau is looking to look like a shut-down candidate
     
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    if i were the Suns i would stand pat and devote all my general managing resources to crushing this year's draft. none of the guys mentioned is a true difference maker with the possible exception of Randolph, and if you nail a couple of draft picks you won't get a quality guy/future star for any cheaper. maybe even package those picks to move up, although that will be very hard to do this year because of the hype around the top 3-5.

    the only exception i would consider is to feel out the Wolves on what it would take to get Kevin Love. he's the one true difference maker who seems to be in the most unstable spot.
     
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    i don't understand the fascination in the nba with draft choices. to me, they're a lot better off traded for actual players. it would be interesting to look at the history of first-round draft choices going back the last 10 years, how many of those players actually contributed? on the other hand, it seems there's always a GM who is anxious to trade an established player for a couple first-rounders. bird in the hand.
     
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    yeah even after you get a high lottery pick it seems like a slim chance that your draft pick actually develops into a good player. i think more often than not it's more about the coaching staff and team atmosphere than it is about the talent of the draft pick. like look at kawhi and monta then look at anthony bennett

    he puts up 15 and 8 and he gets an article calling it a breakthrough night http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...ht-could-sign-things-come-212553287--nba.html
     
  9. RFX45

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    The past 10 years isn't a bad example, the #1 picks have been Rose, Davis, Griffin, Wall, Irving, Howard, Lebron and Yao. There are some bad picks too like Oden (though had big potential), Bargnanni (wasn't too bad in Toronto, averaging 21/5 while stretching the floor) and Bogut (Bogut was doing well before he got seriously hurt) but overall those are good picks and just got hurt when they actually started to play well, minus Oden.

    But in Odens year, number 2 is Durant then Horford and Conley. In bargs year, next is Aldridge then farther down the line is Gay and Roy. In Boguts year theres CP3, DWill, Bynum and Granger. So there is a good chance there as long of getting a good solid future star there.

    Obviously i am talking about strictly first picks there because that's what the teams are aiming for however...

    I am not up to the draft players but next years is being hyped as if it will be the next 2003 draft, I am not actually sure if it is that deep but if it truly is then I can see why managers are getting wet thinking about those draft places.





    As for the Suns bombing, I think it is too late now without it being too obvious. Their record is too good and even when Bledsoe went down, they still managed to win and stay in contention for the playoffs. The team is playing too well for them to all of a sudden start losing w/o anyone noticing it is on purpose unless Dragic goes down. I'm not saying they should go with a trade for a big star either but they seem to be stuck in the middle as I am not sure how many good stars they can get that will lead to a chip or past round 2 in the West.
     
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    grantland (?) had an article about how the draft is deep (as in more than several very good picks in the first round), but not great. like a few players might be all stars but theres no durant or lebron or kobe. nobody that you would build your team around, but would make amazing 2nd, 3rd options. we'll see how it goes
     
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    also rfx, i wasn't talking about first picks. i was talking about first-round. Top 30. someday if i get the time i'll try to figure that out.

    and what started my comment was the phoenix question. if it were me, i'd definitely made a deal if a good one came along. like i said, there is likely to be some talent available before the trade deadline as folks try to move contracts, get rid of bad fits. dangle a first-round choice in front of them -- or two -- and you mgiht be surprised what you could get. not lebron certainly, but maybe somebody who could really contribute next year.
     
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    great okc miami game while i smoked a bunch of cigars, durant with the hot hand
     
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    I think this is one of those "6 on one hand, half a dozen in the other" situations. A known commodity should be more valuable than a draft pick, but you've seen situations where a big time, sure thing player went to a team and didn't live up to expectations **coughdwighthowardcough** and obviously we've seen sure thing draft picks be busts. I think every draft, for the most part, has some good players that can make a difference, its a question of the right team drafting the right player which has a lot to do with the scouting. Look at Bennett this year, he's a "bust" but in reality, he went to a really bad team for his skill set. He requires a lot of touches in the low post to be effective but he plays on a team with guards that require the ball in their hands all the time and they also had Bynum for a while so he was an afterthought, if a thought at all. They probably really should have drafted Noel, who will be more of a defensive, shot blocking player. The flip side is MCW. If you didn't look at his game closely while at Syracuse, you would not have seen the type of defensive player and floor general he is since they play zone all the time and they had multiple scoring options on that team.

    Anyway, I think next years draft will be very good, I think Ombilid or whatever his name is will be a great pick for someone, Wiggins/Parker are probably where the "risks" lie, that SG/SF position is rife with both great players in the NBA and great past draft busts. There is the kid from Creighton also, who should be a solid NBA player and there seems to always be some good picks in the 15-20 range (knicks last year with Hardaway), even in weak drafts. At the end of the day its a crap shoot and if push came to shove, I'd be inclined to trade for a known player rather than hoping for a draft pick.
     
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    Getting players to sign to small market teams is also not the easiest thing to do. A star or superstar that has options will likely sign with a big market like LA or NY or Miami than Phoenix or Charlotte because overall, those markets provide bigger money in the long run. Look at CP3 for example, best PG since his Hornets days but he didn't become as big or as mainstream until he move to LA. Now he is the face of State Farm and is part of probably the biggest ad campaign in the NBA at this moment. Nike also gives bonuses for going to big market teams iirc.

    They might be able to get a good player via trade but if there is no guarrantee of them resigning then it is a big risk a la Howard with LA.


    So for small market teams, drafts are their best bet at getting a good player. I mean as deep as some are saying in next years draft, Phoenix having 4 first round picks gives them a good chances at landing at least one or two players that can be very helpful to the team moving forward.

    Again I am not entirely sure which decision is best for them, they are stuck right in the middle and if I were Phoenix GM, i'd be very cautious of my next move. Team seems to be in good hands with Hornacek though so we'll see how they proceed as the trade deadline nears.
     
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    One of the dumbest articles I've read.


     
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    Since when is Westbrook a point guard?
     
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    That's what you got from the article?

    But to answer your question, he is and always have been a scoring point guard.
     
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    Nobody is getting any of my jokes today.
     
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    Because you are known as a NY fan so anything Knicks related reply sounds sour grapes than a joke. :lol:
     
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    I don't know how anyone can suggest Westbrook and Melo be on the same team considering the (negative) effect Westbrook has on Durant.
     

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