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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. chronoaug

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    Disagree about a team owing the player to hurt the franchise by eating up all the cap room and screwing the franchise out of a chance to rebuild. ...

    Keeping duncan, parker, ginobli around to grow old together is nice in a way but i don't think spurs fans will be that happy about it 2013 when they have no young talent, no good draft picks, no good vets, and no real assets. Will set the franchise back a few extra seasons for sure.


    By the same token you could say that Duncan owes it to the franchise and fans to take a pay cut, or allow himself to be traded to better the franchise's future. Obviously athletes don't do that and i wouldn't expect them to, just like i don't expect a franchise to hurt the team's future for a personal favor.



    If kobe can't really get it done the next 2seasons and it's obvious he's just not up to the challenge of winning a title in that #1 star role, i would hope the lakers would try to move him. Best thing for the team to get assets/picks and the star (kobe/duncan) to get a chance to move on to the next stage of their career.


    When it gets to the point that Duncan is too old to contribute (and he may be there already), I really believe that all the Spurs would need to do is have a meeting with Duncan and ask if he would prefer to retire a Spur or be traded and he would retire. He has nothing left to prove and he's smart enough not to hurt his legacy by playing beyond his expiration date.

    I think Parker is still one of the league's best point guards, but Ginobili has been hurt too much in recent years to be very productive. I think they're both tradeable, though, as is Kobe if he can't shake his knee problems. The Parker/Barry incident didn't help Tony's standing with the team, either.
     
  3. Gibonius

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    When it gets to the point that Duncan is too old to contribute (and he may be there already), I really believe that all the Spurs would need to do is have a meeting with Duncan and ask if he would prefer to retire a Spur or be traded and he would retire. He has nothing left to prove and he's smart enough not to hurt his legacy by playing beyond his expiration date.
    Shaq jumped teams a lot at the end of his career, but one thing I have to admire about him is that he didn't let his diminishing capacity taint his reputation by demanding to be a central player near the end (*cough*Iverson*cough*). He was willing to play 10-15 minutes a game, rebound, block shots, and not be the pivot of the offense. If Duncan was willing to accept a small contract and smaller role on the Spurs, he could stay there and continue to contribute without hurting his legacy. Getting traded and forced into such a reduced role might look bad though. Maybe he'd rather just retire, who knows how much he aches when he wakes up these days.
    Constant international play will do that to you. Those guys have really racked up a lot of extra minutes playing in the off-season, along with not getting chances to fully heal and workout intensely to get into better shape. I'm wondering if teams will start trying to enforce off-season game limitations on players.
     
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    Constant international play will do that to you. Those guys have really racked up a lot of extra minutes playing in the off-season, along with not getting chances to fully heal and workout intensely to get into better shape. I'm wondering if teams will start trying to enforce off-season game limitations on players.


    I'm surprised the standard NBA contract doesn't include a clause prohibiting international play without explicit permission. From a purely business perspective, these players (and their associated playing time) are valuable corporate assets, more valuable to the team IMO than any publicity gained from international exposure.

    Now, the NBA itself may prohibit such a clause, since I have to believe that the NBA's long-term marketing plan must include international expansion and having players play in venues such as the Olympics only speeds the day when the international market is ready for the NBA.
     
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    Now, the NBA itself may prohibit such a clause, since I have to believe that the NBA's long-term marketing plan must include international expansion and having players play in venues such as the Olympics only speeds the day when the international market is ready for the NBA.
    The NBA obviously benefits to a certain amount from pulling in international stars and audiences. God only knows how many new eyeballs and jersey sales the Dream Teams generated overseas, and I believe China may now buy more jerseys than the US. But for individual teams concerned about winning...it's hard to justify your stars risking injury and having guaranteed wear and tear to play for any national team, whether US or Argentina (etc). I seem to remember clauses in NFL contracts that allowed them to be fined if they got hurt playing other sports, playing in non-NFL games etc etc. Can't say that I've ever heard of such a thing in the NBA, and I have no idea if it'd be ok under the CBA or not. Maybe it'll show up in the new CBA once the lockout ends, guess we'll see.
     
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    IIRC, there are clauses that forbid certain things at certain times (vladimir radmonivich snowboarding, for example). but i don't really think the nba is in much of a position to be dictating too much ... that's a negotiation and for some players, those extracurriculars are worth a lot of money.
     
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    Yao Ming retired [​IMG]
    I guess the repeated injuries finally broke his will to rehab for the millionth time.
     
  8. thinman

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    Yao Ming retired [​IMG]
    I guess the repeated injuries finally broke his will to rehab for the millionth time.


    What a sad story. He could have been good for many years and inspired a generation of Chinese basketball hopefuls. Heck, if Arvydas Sabonis made the HOF, why not Yao?
     
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    Has there ever been a player in that 7'6" range that's been durable? Seems like foot problems are almost inevitable for anyone over a certain height.
     
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    he could have [...] inspired a generation of Chinese basketball hopefuls
    Whoa there tiger...
     
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    Has there ever been a player in that 7'6" range that's been durable? Seems like foot problems are almost inevitable for anyone over a certain height.
    I thought the same thing. The biggest human that I can think of with sustained NBA success is Shaq
     
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    Whoa there tiger...
    You edited out the key word from my post, "good". I intentionally avoided writing "great". Career averages of 19.0 ppg, 9.2 rpg, and 1.9 bpg do not make him the dominant player he was projected to be as the number one overall pick in the draft. He never gave the impression that he could take over a game anytime he wanted and he also never lead his team to a championship. Overall, he had a good, but not great, career.
     
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    The NBA obviously benefits to a certain amount from pulling in international stars and audiences. God only knows how many new eyeballs and jersey sales the Dream Teams generated overseas, and I believe China may now buy more jerseys than the US. But for individual teams concerned about winning...it's hard to justify your stars risking injury and having guaranteed wear and tear to play for any national team, whether US or Argentina (etc).

    I seem to remember clauses in NFL contracts that allowed them to be fined if they got hurt playing other sports, playing in non-NFL games etc etc. Can't say that I've ever heard of such a thing in the NBA, and I have no idea if it'd be ok under the CBA or not. Maybe it'll show up in the new CBA once the lockout ends, guess we'll see.


    I know with Manu he HAS to play with Argentina or his contract wouldn't allow him to play in the NBA at all.
     
  14. RFX45

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    [VIDEO][/VIDEO]
     
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    that was the second best thing i saw at the ESPY's.

    with the first being Jimmer Fredette's girlfriend.
     
  16. RFX45

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    :lol:
    I go this e-mail.
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    not exactly on topic, but i was getting my nba fix last night watching hardwood classics. the great, tragic 1984 Finals game 4 between the lakers and the celtics (hint: kurt rambis horse-collared; did not end well for the GOOD guys). but it got me to wondering: what NBA team has had the greatest collection of individual talent? Not the best team, but the best players? think about this lineup:
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, still playing well
    Magic Johnson, at his peak
    James Worthy, second year
    Michael Cooper
    Rambis (actually, surprisingly good rebounder and outlet passer)
    coming off the bench:
    bob mcadoo in his dotage
    Jamal wilkes
    Swen nater
    Byron Scott
     
  18. RFX45

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    Really losing hope that there will be a season this year. :fu:

     
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    I just can't get too worked up over a fight between a bunch of millionaires and some billionaires.
     
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    The thing is, not every basketball player are millionaires, some are even forced to moving back home to their parents home. Plus it isn't just the players and owners being affected, a lot of jobs are gone in arenas and those assistant coaches, physical therapist, etc... are also all out of jobs. Those guys doesn't make much compared to the big stars, heck even compared to the bench players. So if there is no season, a lot of those people will pretty much lose a years worth of salary.

    Most importantly, the fans just wants to see it get it over with so we can start seeing some basketball games again.
     

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