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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. jet

    jet Well-Known Member

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    Wow everyone turning on curry.
     
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  2. HORNS

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    Pics aren't working for me.
     
  3. lawyerdad

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    Ha, true. If it seemed like I'm on that bandwagon, I'm not. I do think he let the pressure get to him those last couple of games. But that doesn't erase what he brings to the table, and I assume he can put it behind him and use it for motivation. When I was watching him and when writing my earlier post I was remembering an interview with Joe Montana where Montana was talking about how the pressure of the Super Bowl and conference championships is just unimaginable to someone who hasn't been there. He talked about being so stressed (I think the moment he was talking about was just before he threw the famous TD pass to Dwight Clark) that he had to call timeout because he was going to puke or pass out in the huddle. And Montana ended up having an OK career.
     
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  4. lawyerdad

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    Well, yeah, but it's one thing to develop a project guy while you have him at a relatively fair price. It's another to commit yourself to max money based on a perceived potential that's not yet been realized. It's not like these playoffs became the showcase for demonstrating that he's ready to realize that potential, the way Kawhi did a couple of years ago.
     
  5. RFX45

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  6. double00

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    one man's project is another man's blue chip. one of the crazy things about GS is by and large it's a homegrown team. remember they chose Curry over Monta when they realized that they had a tiny backcourt that didn't include a true point guard. then they got Nash to coach up Curry on how to protect and distribute the basketball. he's not a natural point guard imo.

    and FTR i certainly don't hate Curry, he's great and had an mvp season. but while he's amazing on ball, can create his own shot and forces advantageous spacing on the floor he made a lot of terrible decisions with the basketball not only this series but all postseason. the OKC series and the finals came down to rebounds and turnovers. GS has no transition offense whatsoever against long athletic teams which is not good for a team that relies on pace and flow to stay efficient.

    and Lebron can say what he likes at this point. he's certainly had to listen to enough of it when he's come up short.
     
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    This is otherworldly. You'd really rather have a guy that shoots 0-9 in a finals game over Curry? And still a phenom prospect? He's barely clinging to the label of being a middling role player. Whatever potential exists, it's woefully unrealized, and he's had the stage to do it. Might be perception, but he was worse these playoffs than last by quite some margin.

    Putting on the GM hat, he's damaged his stock badly through poor performances. I see no logic in rewarding it. I would be very pleased to see him leave for stupid money and damage someone elses cap.

    Shumpert should have taught us the foibles of rewarding potential. But I guess the stupid money knows no boundary.
     
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    Maybe, but remember a few years ago LeBron was a chock machine with no killer instinct. Maybe Curry did tighten up, he can still grow past it.
     
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    Dude. . . are you secretly Barnes agent? Nobody, least of all the Warriors are offering him a max. I think thier prior offer was for 60 million and they are certainly going to offer him less now.
     
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    Barnes is the fourth scoring option as a starter for a team that set the NBA record for most records set.

    thus any roster decision concerning barnes cannot be viewed as a matter of reward, it has to be viewed as a matter of potential. whether he pans out or not will remain to be seen but i will stake my reputation on this thread (ha!) that there is more than one NBA GM to take that bet.
     
  11. lawyerdad

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    Agreed. I was just making an observation about what went down this time.
     
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    I just looked at the box score...Kevin Love had the highest plus/minus of all players with +19. Tyronn Lue only went with an 8-man rotation (Mo Williams only played 5 minutes) and LeBron played 47 minutes. Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson were the only 2 players to shoot above 50% from the field (and Tristan Thompson only took 3 shots). Just a weird game stats-wise, but great to watch.

    Also, the Cavs won game 7 wearing those sleeved jerseys that LeBron talked shit about a while back.
     
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  13. LawrenceMD

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    case in point... enes kanter got the max from a team with a frugal owner and analytics forward front office.

    he's going to get stupid money this offseason its up to the warriors if they want to match.

    other players who will get stupid money this offseason: Batum, Byombo, Noah, ect... everyone is going to get big money because of the incremental salary cap bump. then 2018 hits and its the huge super duper huge bump (because thats when they allow sponsors on jerseys).

    so you can just say, fuck it let barnes walk. because in a sense other players who might be equivalents like Batum will go for even higher prices, what then? the bench becomes thin and everything else suffers.

    you think Jared Dudley at a slightly cheaper price (because yes even scrubs like Dudley will get paid this offseason) is a better option? maybe, but probably not the same production and a lot older/injury prone.
     
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    Ok... and a 4th scoring option deserves a max deal? What kind of everyone gets a trophy world is this? It should very well be a matter of reward. There are plenty of dogs in my neighborhood willing to leave potential dogshit in my yard.

    Look at Jimmy Butler, was he a 4th or 7th option at some point? Yup. Did he just flaccid penis it until someone handed him a paycheck or did he show what he had? He showed it. Barnes deserves 5m yr/3 years to prove he has chops, and I'm being generous. Stake your reputation and pay him, but you're definitely backing the wrong horse.
     
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    Get real.

    Save the money and give a D Leaguer a shot, or fuck it, tell Manu we want to start you for 1 year at 20 mins a game. It would be better than Barnes.

    David West and others before him showed us that set for life players are willing to sacrifice for a historically great team. And guys shown the D-League door will work. Let Barnes go.

    In other news... uh oh... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jun/20/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-title-goat
     
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    The Warriors bench can beat a few starting lineups. Meanwhile the Bulls failed to make the playoffs last season for the first time in 8 years. 4th option means different things on different teams.

    To be clear I think he will get paid and I think he will perform. In a year we can compare notes and see how dude fared.
     
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    Not all hero ball is equal.
    MJs heroball evolved, too... his 'ships came after he embraced the threeangle.



    I don't want to take anything away from the Cavs. They won fair and square, and whooped GSWs behind in the last three games.
    But honestly, after game 4 and The Nut-Suspension, the series ceased to be about basketball - it became a mental war. Basketball concepts basically went out of the window, especially for GSW.

    Yes, LeBron and Kyrie went trough the roof, but seriously, where was GSWs famous defense here? We can argue that even the great GSW defense cannot answer when some player go Supersaiyan like Westbrook, Irving and LeBron, but at the very least, during the 73-9 run, GSW could always answer that with an offensive barrage of their own.

    This is were things went terribly wrong for GSW. Let us be honest - Curry wasn't his MVP self in this Playoffs, starting with his knee injury against Houston. I vaguely remember mentioning this possibility at the start of the Houston-GSW series because I remember what P-Bev did to Westbrook last year, so yes, I take responsibility for this. Houston Rockets have decided this years Championship again, yeah!

    That dagger-three Irving made in Currys face? That is a bread-and-butter move of MVP-Steph. But Steph didn't pull it out even once in the finals, and he was missing wide open looks too.

    THe last 3 minutes of G7 were bizarre. Come on, one of the most prolific offensive team in history failing to score in the last 3 minutes, missing open layups, fast breaks, and open shots? Bizarre.

    And yes, of course, The Charge by LeBron blew my mind. My jaw actually fell off at that play. That was Supersaiyan level 3.
    Oh come on now. Let us all have a longer memory span than 1 week. Curry is still an incredible talent that will continue to change the game. There is only one LeBron James anyway.

    It will be interesting to see what this defeat will make of the Warriors. I suspect, with the strong characters they have, both on the team and on the training staff, they will come out stronger. They won't chase any regular season records any longer, but they will mold themselves more towards the Spurs model - all efforts lead toward the playoffs.

    (The Spurs defeat against the Thunder is another story).
     
  18. marvin100

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    Curry's knee looked pretty good in OT against Potland...
     
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    Do you think Steph will ever have his "Hey, is that John Candy?" moment?
     
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    I agree someone will be (stupid enough) to pay him, and I definitely want to see what he does when the motivation to earn a payday is gone.

    I doubt the Warriors bench can beat any starting lineup, this reminds me of when people said UNLV would beat an NBA team.
     
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