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My shoe choice

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Barry, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. Barry

    Barry Active Member

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    Newbie here. Can someone explain to me why glued shoes are inferior?

    See this page from a shoe buyer's guide, though I think its intended audience is dancing shoe wearers. The homepage says "Our Shoe Buyers Guide was the first on the web and remains the most extensive. Written by experts in the trade, it has been consulted by more than a Million dancers world-wide!"
    View the actual page for more information.

    And here's a synopsis of Methods of Shoe Construction:

    • Cement - For lightweight and flexible footwear the outsole is stuck to the upper by an adhesive.

    • Goodyear Welt - For high quality dress and town shoes... Goodyear Welt creates heavier less flexible footwear

    • Stitchdown - A cheaper method used to produce lightweight flexible soles for children's shoes and some casual footwear.
    Cement construction is also found in some sports and work boots.
     
  2. dokelroth

    dokelroth Well-Known Member

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    See this page from a shoe buyer's guide, though I think its intended audience is dancing shoe wearers. The homepage says "Our Shoe Buyers Guide was the first on the web and remains the most extensive. Written by experts in the trade, it has been consulted by more than a Million dancers world-wide!"View the actual page for more information.

    And here's a synopsis of Methods of Shoe Construction:

    • Cement - For lightweight and flexible footwear the outsole is stuck to the upper by an adhesive.

    • Goodyear Welt - For high quality dress and town shoes... Goodyear Welt creates heavier less flexible footwear

    • Stitchdown - A cheaper method used to produce lightweight flexible soles for children's shoes and some casual footwear.
    Cement construction is also found in some sports and work boots.

    Ronny the Shoo Boy, you are just too adorable. How did your big meeting with the record execs go?
     
  3. Barry

    Barry Active Member

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    Ronny the Shoo Boy, you are just too adorable. How did your big meeting with the record execs go?
    Don't the moderators here "handle" posts like that?
     
  4. macuser3of5

    macuser3of5 Well-Known Member

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    I had a pair of Ferragamo Studio's (cemented) wherein the upper quite literally has come unglued from the sole, in less than a year. Never again. And really, while a goodyear welt might start 'stiffer' than a cemented sole, it definitely gets a lot more flexible over time, and lasts several times longer. Strange, that website glosses over that extremely important point.
     
  5. j

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    You didn't mention that they were for dancing.
     
  6. grimslade

    grimslade Well-Known Member

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    Don't the moderators here "handle" posts like that?

    You didn't mention that they were for dancing.

    Guess not.
     
  7. alliswell

    alliswell Well-Known Member

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    He's been talking about Irish Dancing shoes since he got here. He wants a shoe with the flexibility of a dancing pump, with more flexibility than any dress shoe, to go bowling with his nephew. He wants to buy a shoe so that he can go somewhere to wear other shoes.

    Wait. Has anyone noted how you never see Barry and Manton in the same room? j, it's time for an IP check to see who else posts from the same computer as 'Barry'.




    You didn't mention that they were for dancing.
     
  8. SantosLHalper

    SantosLHalper Well-Known Member

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    I can't decide what's more frustrating, that Barry keeps coming back, that people keep responding, or that I can't fight the compulsion to add one more post.
     
  9. j

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    He's been talking about Irish Dancing shoes since he got here. He wants a shoe with the flexibility of a dancing pump, with more flexibility than any dress shoe, to go bowling with his nephew. He wants to buy a shoe so that he can go somewhere to wear other shoes.

    Wait. Has anyone noted how you never see Barry and Manton in the same room? j, it's time for an IP check to see who else posts from the same computer as 'Barry'.


    I did it on page 1, no matches, but that doesn't mean much.

    I can't decide what's more frustrating, that Barry keeps coming back, that people keep responding, or that I can't fight the compulsion to add one more post.

    Tell me about it brother.
     
  10. Barry

    Barry Active Member

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    You didn't mention that they were for dancing.
    Me? I posted a link originally, so it's not like I was hiding anything. The page mentions the flexibility of glue vs. stitching and a new gluing method. Sounds relevant.

    I've been wearing running shoes and cross trainers for over 20 years (not the same pair) and I vaguely recall that the sole might have separated once. It happened with sandals too. They lasted long enough though. Something has to go first, and I don't really care what.

    I just read about hiking shoes that had a separated sole out of the box, and in this thread someone mentioned glued shoes from a good company that just lasted one year. Sounds like a quality control problem or an inferior adhesive. Stitching is easier to check. So there's another benefit of stitching.

    Here are some posts from http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforum...320660&forum=5
    One thing I haven't read is whether synthetic soles can be cemented better than leather ones.
     
  11. macuser3of5

    macuser3of5 Well-Known Member

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    I really want vaclava to post in this thread...


    Shoes, still they, remain ugly.

    ,
     
  12. alliswell

    alliswell Well-Known Member

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    All that shows is that you're in on it too. How high does this thing go?

    I did it on page 1, no matches, but that doesn't mean much..
     
  13. HomerJ

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    Me? I posted a link originally, so it's not like I was hiding anything. The page mentions the flexibility of glue vs. stitching and a new gluing method. Sounds relevant. I've been wearing running shoes and cross trainers for over 20 years (not the same pair) and I vaguely recall that the sole might have separated once. It happened with sandals too. They lasted long enough though. Something has to go first, and I don't really care what. I just read about hiking shoes that had a separated sole out of the box, and in this thread someone mentioned glued shoes from a good company that just lasted one year. Sounds like a quality control problem or an inferior adhesive. Stitching is easier to check. So there's another benefit of stitching. Here are some posts from http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforum...320660&forum=5 One thing I haven't read is whether synthetic soles can be cemented better than leather ones.
    Gluing and stitching both have their place. If you're talking about light hiking, the lighter, more flexible glued shoes might be better. If you're talking about heavy mountaineering, double or triple stitching is better for durability. Since you bring up Meindl, from their website Some of our mountaineering and trekking boots and our traditional boots are double stitched. This traditional way of making boots and shoes require a very high level of craftsmanship. Our apprentices still learn how to make double stitched boots. Those double stitched boots illustrate the expertise of our shoemakers. We use fibre glass insoles in double stitched boots to fill the room under the insole. That's a good rugged boot. Cementing is cheaper and less durable. I have a pair of La Sportivas that were $300. Glued and now starting to separate after 8 years. I wonder how well they would've held up were they double stitched.
     
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    I think you'd have chosen to rebuke my retort rather than call me a name if you were able to. I hope you can poke fun at yourself for that.


    what?? i dont understand this reply.

    yes, i am not able to call you a name. i dont because i am above that. whatever, anyways, good luck to your shoe endeavors.
     
  16. CDC

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    Oh, this is some truly funny shit. I've been loling for the last 20 minutes, reading this thread.


    I figure I should contribute to the lulz:

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    We know what she's talking about, Barry, right? I mean, amiright or amiright?
     
  17. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps we should be nicer to Barry. He may just want glued shoes to match his glued suits.

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  18. jkennett

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    Perhaps we should be nicer to Barry. He may just want glued shoes to match his glued suits.

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    I'm sure there is a dancing website out there somewhere teaching of the superiority of glued suits too... Man, they're more flexible!![​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  19. HomerJ

    HomerJ Well-Known Member

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    Oh, this is some truly funny shit. I've been loling for the last 20 minutes, reading this thread.


    I figure I should contribute to the lulz:

    [​IMG]

    We know what she's talking about, Barry, right? I mean, amiright or amiright?


    [​IMG]
     
  20. LabelKing

    LabelKing Well-Known Member

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    This forum reminds me of some computer-related forums. There is an obsession over high-end products that cost a lot. I don't want to be the guy who is known for having turtle-skin shoes or the fastest computer. With computer components, there is a sweet spot where you can get the biggest bang for your buck. Can the same be said for clothes? Can this forum help me? Or is it just about turtle-shoe porn? So far I like this forum to the extent it can help relatively clueless guys like me at least know what's out there and make informed decisions. I feel like I've gotten good advice so far but it worries me when people say they are obsessed with turtle apparel.
    Well, you shouldn't see my complete tortoise shell I have on my wall.
     

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