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Music

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Brian SD, Apr 26, 2004.

  1. NavyStyles

    NavyStyles Well-Known Member

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    "Hair of the Dog," baby.... haha, I completely sympathize with every band on your list.

    artdeco,

    Are you a fan of Ellis Marsalis (the jazz pianist)? I was lucky enough to see him in a small club last weekend. He was performing with his son Jason (on drums) and two other men (bass and saxophone). The show was absolutely incredible.
     
  2. artdeco73

    artdeco73 Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't call myself a fan, but with his son Wynton Marsalis being probably the most controversial jazz musician since Miles Davis, it's difficult not to have heard of him.  Very musical familty in general -- besides Wynton, Branford plays saxophone and Delfayeo plays trombone.  All Ellis's sons.  Ellis himself, I believe, is in semi-retirement in New Orleans, but still teaches occasionally.
     
  3. PeterMetro

    PeterMetro Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure Wynton Marsalis is controversial - and if he is, it's only because he is so commercial. Anything even remotely involving jazz, and Wynton is there, pimping it out. He's made himself jazz's ambassador - self appointed. I'm not sure the giants (Coltrane, Gordon, Davis, Gillespe, Monk) would have elected him (or anyone, for that matter).

    While people have mentioned some great jazz pianists like Evans, we're missing some legends. The aforementioned Thelonious Monk changed the game. Art Tatum could have been the most skilled of all of them. Herbie Hancock's stuff with the Miles Davis Quintet is outstanding (and he was something like 21 years old). Earl Hines. Go back even further can check out Willie "The Lion" Smith.
     
  4. artdeco73

    artdeco73 Well-Known Member

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    Wynton is controversial not because he is commercial, but because he claims to know what "true" jazz is, and, more importantly, what it isn't.  He proceeds to play only what he thinks is "true" jazz, and the logical, and obviously preposterous conclusion is, "unless it sounds like Wynton, it isn't jazz."  I'm overstating of course, but I think the point is clear.  But that alone would not necessarily have made him controversial.  His definition of jazz happens to lack the key element that has defined jazz throughout its history -- innovation.  By putting straight-ahead, blues- and standards-based jazz under a glass canopy like a museum piece and declaring it the only true form of jazz, he goes fundamentally against the genre's basic philosophy of innovation and experimentation.  That is why he is controversial.

    There is another dimension that made him controversial -- racial.  For that, though, we have Wynton's ridiculous boosters like Stanley Crouch to thank, rather than Wynton himself.  Crouch and others have insinuated, without actually coming out and saying it, that because jazz was developed by African-Americans, they are somehow fundamentally better at playing it today than people of other backgrounds.

    There was an excellent article in the March 2003 issue Atlantic Monthly on Wynton.  It's not available online for free, unfortunately, but if you have access to Atlantic back issues, I highly recommend it.

    Regards,
    artdeco73
     
  5. PeterMetro

    PeterMetro Well-Known Member

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    Good points - nice to have another jazz fan on the board.
     
  6. jpeirpont

    jpeirpont Well-Known Member

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    10 Favorite artist:
    Tupac
    Biggie
    Jay-Z
    Nas
    Mobb Deep
    Carl Thomas
    Mary J.Blidge
    Buckshot of BlackMoon
    Big Daddy Kane
    Slick Rick
    Rakim
    (Diverse list isn't it)

    Favorite Songs:
    Godfather Part 3- Mobb Deep
    I got you open- BlackMoon
    Politics as Usual- Jay- Z
    Hit em UP- Tupac
    Hold your head- Tupac
    MY downfall- Biggie
    Victory- Puffy, Biggie ,Busta Rhymes
     
  7. Brian SD

    Brian SD Well-Known Member

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    I am a huge Brian Eno fan, less for his actual own music but more for the tremendous leaps and bounds he's brought emerging music through since the 70s. My very favorite Various Artists CD is "No New York," which was done by Brian Eno. He also did a lot of work with the Talking Heads, who are also idols of mine. My other heroes of both music and production are Jim O'Rourke and Steve Albini. Anyone here a DEVO fan? [​IMG]
     
  8. imageWIS

    imageWIS Well-Known Member

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    Seeing as I am listing to "The Maple Leaf Rag" by Scott Joplin, that pretty much gives you an idea of my music tastes. [​IMG] Actually I listen to just about everything. The music selection through my day is a variable kaleidoscope of the different music genres. I can go from Schubert to Placebo to Cole Porter to Rage Against the Machine to Michael Nyman to Coldplay to Paul Oakenfold to The Beatles to Beethoven all in the span of one hour. I can pretty much listen (and like) most genres. Except for SKA (why?[​IMG][​IMG]?) and new pop-country music (also: WHY?[​IMG][​IMG]??). Those two I hate, with a passion. Jon.
     
  9. VMan

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    I've been listening to Air a lot more over the last couple of days - good stuff. They do a wide mix of music, most of it is pretty mellow. They make use of the synthesizer and most of the music has an 'electronica' quality, yet is quite melodic and nice. Some of the songs are pure instrumental, and some have lyrics. If anyone has seen the film "The Virgin Suicides", Air composed the soundtrack for it. Great stuff for relaxing. Here's some highlight tracks:

    Le Voyage De Penelope
    Playground Love
    Empty House
    Talisman
     
  10. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    Air is awesome live. I went to see them when they came through Seattle, front row tickets, and the show was incredible. Sorry if this list is a little eclectic. I listen to a lot of different types of music.

    The Stranglers
    The Toadies
    The Streets
    Danzig
    Prefuse 73
    Frederick Chopin
    Common (Common Sense)
    Janis Joplin
    Money Mark
    Hum
    The Cars
    Outkast
    Groove Armada
    Fugees
    Tool/A Perfect Circle
    David Bowie
    Fantomas
    Sergei Rachmanonov
    Al Green
    The Pixies
    Aesop Rock
    Nine Inch Nails
    The Fixx
    Bjork
    Dan The Automator
    Franz Liszt
    Deltron 3030
    Atmosphere
    Air
    The Clash
    Stone Temple Pilots
    Elvis Presley
    Deftones
    Blondie
    Claude Debussy
    Dr. Dre
    And of course, Johnny Cash.

    It all makes perfect sense to me.
     
  11. Sevcom

    Sevcom Well-Known Member

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    Right now, it's:

    Lucinda Williams
    The Rapture
    Bright Eyes
    Kanye West
    Postal Service
    OutKast
    Morrissey
    The Roots
    Public Enemy
    Leonard Cohen
    Damien Rice
    The Secret Machines
     
  12. imageWIS

    imageWIS Well-Known Member

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    Lately I have listing to tons of 80's music, I guess it because I am reading American Psycho and trying to get the feel for at least the music.

    Jon.
     
  13. NavyStyles

    NavyStyles Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone else heard of The Black Keys? A friend of mine told me to check out their album Thickfreakness, which I gotta recommend. They sound very bluesy -- and seem influenced by classic rock, if you're interested. Enjoy.
     
  14. shoreman80

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    Saw someone mentioned Franz Ferdinand, I'm checking them out tomorrow night in Philly.

    On my current mix:

    Rock:
    Braid (they just reunited)
    Ted Leo/Rx (excellent, Clash-y songwriting)
    Secret Machines (saw em a couple weeks ago, epic rock and still catchy)
    Franz Ferdinand
    Radio 4


    Lounge:
    Thievery Corp (does it get any classier?)
    Verve remixed2 (same vein)

    Hip hop:
    Kanye West
    Talib
    Madvillain

    And its the time of year for the funky kingston:
    Toots and the Maytals
    Marley
    Third World
     
  15. Sevcom

    Sevcom Well-Known Member

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    I went to a David Byrne show last week--it was incredible. His solo stuff was intriguing (though sometimes head-scratching), but when he busted out his Talking Heads stuff, the crowd exploded. Everyone went nuts over Psycho Killer, Once in a Lifetime and Road to Nowhere; they were dancing on top of their seats, hooting and singing along.

    Two-and-a-half hour show, with two encores. Wow. Highly recommended.
     
  16. Brian SD

    Brian SD Well-Known Member

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    I heart The Rapture, The Secret Machines and Kanye West. Good stuff.

    All things that are involved with the New Pornographers (including the NPs themselves) deserve hella credit - such as Zumpano, A. Carl Newman, Destroyer and Neko Case.

    Once again, good stuff.
     
  17. Alias

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    I'm looking forward to getting two new albums in the mail: one from Type O Negative (can't remember the name) and one by some band called "The Jesus and Mary Chain." Apparently, the very last song in Lost in Translation is performed by them, and it sounded cool enough to make me want to get it.
     
  18. shoreman80

    shoreman80 Well-Known Member

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    The Lost in Translation Sdtrk is good all over. If you like it, check out any albums by My Bloody Valentine, Air (natch), and the Jesus and Mary Chain (who were rockstars when it wasn't cool to be a rockstar).

    If you have iTunes, they have a pretty cool section of playlists determined by artists. In the iTunes program, go to the music store (you won't have to register or buy anything, I love Apple). Look around, you'll find nifty playlists from people like Thievery Corp, King Britt, others - there's a lot, I jsut can't remember.

    A lot is kind of trite, "yeah I figured they'd pick that" stuff, but it's good music all the same, and there are some surprises.

    Recommended if you have too much free time.
     
  19. Alias

    Alias Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the iTunes tip. I saw those music lists before but I figured they would suck. I guess not.

    Also, I do believe JAMC is available through iTunes, but the album turned out to be cheaper from Amazon.
     
  20. Brian SD

    Brian SD Well-Known Member

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    JAMC are really great. Â [​IMG] And my bloody valentine's loveless - HIGHLY recommended. one of the great masterpieces of the 90s
     

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