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MTM Dinner Suit from Suit Supply - Seeking Advice

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mturkel99, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. mturkel99

    mturkel99 New Member

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    Hello All,

    Longtime lurker, first time poster. I am getting married at the end of the summer, and planning to have a dinner suit made-to-measure for the occasion. I will likely get a decent amount of use out of it moving forward, but hard to say exactly how much. For those of you unfamiliar with the SS dinner suit, here is a link for reference: http://us.suitsupply.com/suits/suit...gid=Suits&prefn1=style&prefv1=Classic|Evening

    As a number of posts in this forum have observed, it has most of the classic features I am looking for: peaked lapels, grosgrain facing, etc. However, they do not offer a waistcoat (even MTM) which is a tad annoying. Still, for the price, I can't complain too much.

    Question number 1: Anyone have any experience with SS MTM tuxedos? Are there features that I should be asking for in particular. For example, I know their OTR tux has vents, I will request that mine does not.

    Question number 2: I am going midnight blue rather than black. I will be seeing the fabric in person on Friday, but right now the only thing I have to go on is pictures sent by the MTM specialist of a midnight blue dinner suit they made in the past and the following suit, which uses the same fabric: http://us.suitsupply.com/suits/suit...tart=9&cgid=Suits&prefn1=style&prefv1=Classic Does anyone think this is not dark enough, or is that just the lighting?

    Thanks in advance for your time,
    Michael
     
  2. aravenel

    aravenel Well-Known Member

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    dah328 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know anything about Suit Supply, but with regard to the darkness of the blue fabric, it's obviously impossible to tell from any kind of photo. I wouldn't stress too much about what constitutes a precise midnight blue because a sufficiently dark blue is going to be seen as black by 95% of the people out there. I don't know the circumstances under which you will be seeing the fabric in person, but keep in mind that medium and low light situations are the typical occasions for dinner suits. You want it to be dark enough that it doesn't look slate blue in full sunlight, but it should rarely be worn in such circumstances. If it were me, I would probably try to find a shade of blue that I considered the lightest I would be willing to accept and then take a sample of that shade to compare to the fabric.
     
  4. mturkel99

    mturkel99 New Member

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    dah328: That's a really good idea. I think I'll do that. Good to know that I don't need to stress too much about the darkness of the fabric. I just love very dark blue, and don't want my tux to look blue. Since the lapel facings will be black, I imagine people will be able to tell to some extent.

    And yes, the wedding is at night and indoors. Sun will be setting just after the ceremony begins, and it's in a glass room, so there may be a tad of natural light there.
     
  5. katabatic

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    Since you're going MTM, you'll have a chance to check out their fabrics in person, and can make your own choices about what you think constitutes "Midnight Blue". A lot of what I've seen called Midnight Blue recently looks much too light, in my opinion.

    SS just had a limited edition ventless shawl-collared tuxedo, which they called Midnight Blue, but looked much, much lighter (I saw one in person at their Chicago store).

    http://instagram.com/p/T6N0lAHGpo/
    http://instagram.com/p/T6N0lAHGpo/

    IMO, in a low-lighting photo, under artificial light like those, the fabric ought to look black. I do love that shawl though. I wish they'd add a black version of that shawl collar to their RTW line though, because I love that collar shape. Much nicer than the emaciated, "fashion-forward" shawl collars I've seen on some other MTM makers.

    I don't know if they'll make the shawl collar in MTM, but I'd ask, because I think it looks great.

    Here's another MTM SS tuxedo in "midnight navy" that looks too light to me:
    http://dreamsofperfection.com/2012/12/14/10-20-12/

    YMMV, of course.
     
  6. mturkel99

    mturkel99 New Member

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    Katabatic, thanks for your reply. Funnily enough, that second link contains the exact photos sent to me by the MTM specialist at SS. The groom pictured is an employee of SS, and that's their MTM tux in midnight blue. I am really glad you agree with my initial impressions. It really does need to be darker. Of course, he also should not have been wearing a dinner suit during the day but that's another story.

    As for their shawl tux, they do offer it MTM and they will be bringing it into their main line soon (at least that's what the guy I spoke to seemed to imply). Apparently, it was initially released to mimic the Daniel Craig Skyfall tux (which, BTW, was way too blue for my tastes).
     
  7. katabatic

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    Sweet!

    The skyfall dinner jacket worked for me specifically because it wasn't true midnight blue - it was paired with black pants. In order to pull that off, it has to be different enough from the pants to look intentional, rather than like you got dressed in the dark. The jacket also has a major texture to it, which you can see in red carpet stills from the premier. That also helps avoid the outfit looking like it's paired an orphaned jacket with orphaned trousers.

    It's also waay too short, but that's another matter entirely. There's a photo of Daniel Craig meeting the Queen of England wearing that dinner jacket, with the vents gaping and half his bum uncovered that makes me cringe.
     
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    The OTR midnight blue tuxedo made by SS looked lighter than what I consider midnight blue when I saw it in person - too light for me.

    I have the same tuxedo you're getting, but OTR not MTM. I'm pretty happy with it.
     
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    Stay with balck - that blue is not right - too light. If it looks too light in the photgarphs then it is in any photograph/the cloth.
     
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    The dinner jacket worn in Skyfall was not the same as at the premiere. The one in the film was actually very close to midnight blue, really just a dark navy, and it was worn with matching trousers. The textured, mid-blue dinner jacket was thankfully not in the film. Still, it was too short as well.
     
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    This. And I would be very hesitant to use any of the suits in that film (with the exception of Ralph Fiennes) as inspiration. They all looked positively awful.

    This extends to Daniel Craig in general. The man (or his stylist, rather) cannot pick out a suit that fits him to save his life.
     
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    Ah, interesting - thanks. I've seen it talked about before as being the same jacket. I didn't enjoy it enough to go back a second time to pay closer attention to the clothes :)
     
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    I thought he looked pretty good in most of the Quantum of Solace suits. They were only slightly too tight and the trouser rise was a little too low. But Skyfall took the fit to an extreme and didn't work for him nor would it work for anyone else.
     
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    Definitely. QoS, which was the first one to use Tom Ford, wasn't bad. Casino Royale, still on Brioni, was even better, excepting the odd incessant use of self-stripe shirts in that movie.

    But yeah... Skyfall, while an excellent Bond film, was a sartorial disgrace. I will say the *combos*--suit + tie + shirt--were pretty good. But *none* of the suits came anywhere close to fitting him, so the whole thing looked like shit.
     
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    why are you doing made to measure?
     
  16. mturkel99

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    OK. So I went to SS today and spent a decent amount of time looking through fabrics they have available. The guy I worked with, one of their MTM specialists, was friendly, knowledgeable, and fun to work with.

    To be honest, it's really difficult picking out a color from a small square of fabric. It's really hard to tell which is black, which is blue, etc. Once I began to get the hang of it, though, I found a few possibilities. I never hit something that made me think I found THE one, but I did come some good options, and they might actually be exactly what I am looking for color-wise, I just might not know it. The fabrics I was looking at were mostly by Ariston, though there were also some by Vitale Barberis.

    Although I don't know if they had this fabric, my post-visit search of Ariston and Midnight Blue came up with these pictures. What do others think of this. Still too blue?

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  17. Mexicorn

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    Sorry to resurrect, but what did you end up going with? And what did the final cost turn out to be?

    I'm currently debating whether to go OTR or MTM with SS's current tuxedo offerings. Their 38L OTR fits perfectly in the sleeves, though the shoulders are very wide. Conversely, a 36R fits perfectly in the shoulders, however is nearly an inch too short in the sleeves. Since SS suits all have functional buttonholes, lengthening the sleeves would leave the button comically high. Altering the 38L, conversely, would be quite expensive. I'm curious as to if MTM is the more logical choice.
     
  18. Frankie22

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    No. MTM on SS run at a grand or more, does it not? At that price point just go with Panta if you are in NYC. I love SS but Ed's quality is at least 3 times better, plus full canvas - etc. Three fittings ensures a top fit.
     
  19. Mexicorn

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    I guess I should have prefaced things with my budget and location.

    I was in the DC SuitSupply, though I will be in NYC next weekend so can look for options there. My original budget was $500 but it looked like it would be a couple hundred dollars worth of tailoring if I picked up one of the OTR SS offerings. I couldn't get a specific MTM price point without scheduling a consultation, but the salesperson said they started at $800. If a MTM SS tux is more like $1000 then I'll have to look for other options.

    Is there anywhere else in DC or NYC to get an acceptable slim Tuxedo for <$700 (including tailoring)?
     

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