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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. The Saint

    The Saint Well-Known Member

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    You reckon. .:p
     
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    Is a flame war , some sort of National Socialist type activity?





    I thought you said you were drunk when you wrote "that post". .:satisfied:
     
  3. Man-of-Mystery

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    From Gabriella, via somebody else - a rather naff 'article' in 'Rave' magazine, 1969.

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    I didn't know the original skinheads wore marzipan on their feet!
     
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    I think the photo was taken in the Merry Fiddlers pub Dagenham a well known skinhead pub by 1969. It was mentioned in a documentary at the time. I went there a few times but didn't rate it. A rival pub was the Westbury Arms in Barking. If your face didn't fit you could easily find yourself in trouble in either pub.Better pubs were to be found along the Mile End Road.
     
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    Nope, I don`t,I asked my Sister and she cannot recollect it either.Mind you ,by then,anything remotely connected with "Skinhead" I ignored-the journalists were just feeling around to increase Sales.
     
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    Never ventured into Barking or Dagenham-because there was always aggro.This went on through the 70s as well.I lived (for 2 years) in Castle Green and "The Ship and Shovel" was also a trouble Pub.
     
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    Pete consistently classifies himself and his mates as 'mods', by the way. To me they don't look that much different from anyone else I saw around at the time. Mod/Totter/Skinhead/Whatever.
     
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    Early 60s Mods would say he was too young to be a Mod but he was part of that transition to skinheads. He should really claim to be an early skinhead. Mod perhaps carries more quodos.
     
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    We used to call it the shit and shovel.
     
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    Pete and his mates called themselves 'mods' at the time (as did Bunty's brother), and I think that we have to give a degree of weight and respect to how people saw themselves and what they called themselves.. If you look at Pete's photos over a few years, you'll see the transition, however. The pics below were supplied by him for 'the book' and I would ask any casual hot-linkers to respect his copyright. The dates of the photos are 1967, 1969, and 1970. You'll easily identify looks that are, to the eye, 'mod', 'skinhead', and 'suedehead' (in the last one, the girls' hairstyles are not skinhead, that's one pointer to how the group identified itself). In the 1967 photo, he has an identifiable 'French crop'; I saw a number of blokes still with this style when I arrived down in London in 68. In the 1969 photo he has cropped hair and a PoW jacket, but that pocket hankie is an individual touch. In the 1970 photo, by the way, you'll see that Pete has always favoured two-button jackets - again this is an individual style that maybe distances him from mainstream skinhead.

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    I like the `70 Photo,it`s as I can remember it.The second Guy from left has kept his top button undone-as Lapels were being pressed back to make it look a two button Jacket(American idea).
     
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    Remember that.........:D
     
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    We called ourselves Mods,it was the younger crowd that adopted the media name "Skinheads"-afterwards everybody who had short hair,was a Skinhead.
     
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    Looks like the Merry Fiddlers pub. I am surprised Pete liked 2 button jackets. In 1969 I looked like him but in 1970 my hair would have been longer.Pity we can't see the shoes worn. Then we could have seen if he was going down the Ivy route.
     
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    I remember that Skinhead term wasn't used but having older Mod cousins I can't remember that we called ourselves Mods. I remember that we did want our own identity though.
     
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    The original Mods never recognised anybody but themselves as Mods-not even the second wave (`65/`68).We still followed the Mod Ethos,but they said it cheapened the "Look".We had our Suits made to measure just like them etc.It is funny,reading "Sawdust Caesers",some are ones that were there at the time-but some RE younger than me so how the fck would they know what was happening `61/`62.I certainly did not. :)
     
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    We looked and acted with arrogance,we knew who we were.:)
     
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    There has been Photos on here(many moons ago)where a two button Jacket was worn with a Waistcoat(`69).Maybe Pete`s Jacket was part of a 3 Piece.

    I had my hair longer but got it cut shorter(it was the start of Hair being brushed back) as I went into Butchering.
     
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    True and we had plenty of confidence too.
     

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