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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Botolph

    Botolph Well-Known Member

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    Very cool post, Roytonboy. The middle paragraph especially: Looks like the whole "Life imitating Art" thing? I wonder how much of the evolution of skinhead was down to kids imitating the exaggerated newspaper accounts of skinheads as opposed to the "organic" evolution by imitating one's peers and elders in the street.
     
  2. AnthoMoz

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    Good evening,

    I have been researching the meaning of "The Saint" tattoo for a little while -after seing it on badges and skinhead's skins- ; I even asked a skinhead friend, in vain.
    ...then I stumbled on your thread and a picture of a Simon Templar tattoo, but without explanations.

    -----Could you please tell me more about the meaning of this tattoo ?

    All the best from Dijon, France
    Anthony
     
  3. flyfronted

    flyfronted Well-Known Member

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    id imagine it was THE only drawing kids could do to themselves with indian ink in the late 60s early 70s
     
  4. Con Seanery

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    Hi Anthony,
    I cant answer for the originals, but I have the St. character tattoo & got it when I was a kid. Tattoo's can mean anything to anyone, but basic reason was that I liked the look of the emblem & it was readily recognizable by most people. In the 80's it was considered a throw-back to earlier times, & with additions to the icon (like red boots or whatever), that type of update tends to give it your own twist that would be recognizable by most people that run in your circles/subculture or whatever. For me, Templar was a cool guy, an anti-hero type along the lines of Robin Hood. Guy dressed smart, was funny/well spoken, good with the ladies, & a good fighter. The symbol was his calling card & to me was an icon for street smarts (basically).

    And also this
     
  5. AnthoMoz

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    Thank you very much for your answers, gentlemen !

    Cheers,
    A
     
  6. AnthoMoz

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    Thank you very much for your answers, gentlemen !

    Cheers,
    A
     
  7. roytonboy

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    Thanks, Botolph - I don't think the media had any impact on the 'organic' evolution of the style other than to spread it. What it did though, was to exaggerate the image as the aggressive portrayal then attracted characters who would not have been mods - I can even think of some individuals of whom this would have been true. The papers never referred to the style or the eye for detail, only concentrating on the more negative elements and no doubt got the response they desired from the general public. Conversely, some people who had been mods, or would have become mods, distanced themselves from the look simply because they didn't want to be associated with its violent image. In short, it became a self fulfilling prophecy (or as you say "Life imitating Art").

    So, as young people all over Britain rushed out to get their hair cut and don their boots and braces (yes, guilty as charged!) many of those who originated the look were already moving on to a subtler, less overtly menacing image - a style that was also to percolate through the rest of the country in time.

    I believe, however, that whilst the press had little influence on the style other than to spread it, they did influence the behaviour as some skinheads now believed, for example, that they should be out attacking Asian immigrants because 'Paki Bashing' was what skinheads did. (And, as stated above, probably attracted racists who otherwise wouldn't have adopted the style of dress)
     
  8. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Well-Known Member

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    I think you've probably got that spot on.
     
  9. Aces and Eights

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    Hello Anthony

    The Saint tattooed arm on here is mine and I had the Saint with boots tattoo done in early 1970. It was the symbol for our gang and some 20 lads had it. I do not know if it was used elsewhere in the country.

    As regards why it was used by us - there was no particular reason other than that one of the elder members had just the Saint on his arm and some of us adopted it. The Saint (Simon Templar / Roger Moore) was a cool good guy and we added the boots to imply we were the bad guys. Nothing was actually said to this effect it was just the feeling and then over a few months we were all visiting the tattoo parlour.

    Having a fair selection of 'old school' tattoos on various parts of my person this is the one that always gets the most inquiries from people asking "what does that mean" etc etc. It is a permanent reminder of 'happy days' - No regrets
     
  10. AnthoMoz

    AnthoMoz New Member

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    Interesting, a "symbol" in the pure sense of the word.
    I'm glad you guys answered me

    A
     
  11. Mr Knightley

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    That was a great post, roytonboy. I too apologise for the delay in jotting down my recollection about drugs back in the day.

    In the early days of skinhead, say 1967 – 69, I do not recall any of my acquaintances indulging in any drug other than beer, cigarettes and the odd spirit. We were aged between about 15 to 17 during that period. By early 1970 some of the older blokes (who may in turn have had older brothers to egg them on) were starting to experiment with marijuana and, I think some stronger stuff too. I have to say they were in a minority and were the ones who, by around 1971, started to go off the rails. Two of them sobered up briefly and emigrated to Australia!

    I did indulge in the odd smoke but found it didn’t do anything for me.

    Picking up roytonboy’s other point about how I got into skinhead, I would say he is basically right. I was too young to be a Mod in the early 60s but always admired their look and attitude. Being the snob I am, I found the parka-wearing, scooter-riding bunch too untidy for my tastes! Having said that, there were two sixth-formers when I was in the first year at my secondary school (in 1964) who arrived on a scooter, but in Crombies, bowlers and Tootal scarves. I have said before that they were really inspiring. (This is the type of look that was favoured by Gill and Del Evans, pics of whom we have seen here recently and who called themselves 'Continentalists'.)

    There were others I saw around town and on holidays and in London who all fed my desire to be a Mod, but as 1966 dawned and I was only 13 the movement went into terminal decline, of course.

    So, as I gradually became slightly better off with a paper round and odd evening and other jobs and had a little money to spend, I struggled to know what to buy. As browniecj has often said, that period from the end of 1965 to around mid 1967 was especially interesting because of the variety of styles and influences. Many, many wardrobe malfunctions occurred during that fast-moving time and I cringe now to think of the mistakes I made along the way.

    Unlike roytonboy I did not seek to become a skinhead but by now it was the best option on the table (the only one). But, just as I had done in the earlier Mod period, I took a dislike to the rougher, harder aspects. I was therefore relieved when, in 1969, stopping in the West End on the way back from holiday in Bognor, a few mates and I tracked down the elusive Royals and other goodies in the Squire Shop in Brewer Street. But that look was to prove short-lived in my area, as by the following summer really major changes were afoot…….
     
  12. Man-of-Mystery

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    The Saint: Just a completely off-the-wall memory of the 1960s here, but Cliff Hall of The Spinners (the folkies, not the Detroit group) used to do a little 'Saint' matchstick man with a black face whenever he signed his autograph.
     
  13. Ubuntu

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    Just got a Jump the Gun Harrington through in Navy.

    The sizing down advice rings true if you want the slimmer fit, I ordered a size down and it fits perfectly.

    Lovely looking jacket, let's see how it holds up!
     
  14. Mr Knightley

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    Good stuff. Yes, let us know how it performs. Do you have any JTG knitwear? Just wondering how that fits.
     
  15. Ubuntu

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    No, I don't have any of their knitwear. I'm sure someone here will though!
     
  16. Clouseau

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    Did we had this one ?
    [​IMG]

    Must be 1970-71, cos the platform shoes. Not so smooth for a "smoothie"!
     
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  17. Basset

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    I've seen that one somewhere, i'd say it's later than that, usual diclaimer [​IMG]
     
  18. Clouseau

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    Maybe some of the Manchester lads around here will have a clue?
     
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  19. cerneabbas

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    1974...Cardiff City v Man Utd......United supporters used to wear tartan scarves then because they had so many Scottish players ( and a Scottish manager)....there was lots of trouble that day and Uniteds massive away following did not get it all their own way.
     
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  20. Clouseau

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    Very precise answer, Cerneabbas.

    What about this one folks, do you think they are "originals" little brothers, or later on ?
    As usual, B&W pics are difficult to date. Anyway, they remind me of Shaun, in the Shane Meadows picture.
    [​IMG]
     

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