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Mod to Suedehead

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Basset

    Basset Well-Known Member

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    Like i said, it depends on where you get on and off, and what you consider yourself to be.
    Skinheads moved the style on and became suedes etc, these styles are set, if i turned up at a do wearing winkle pickers, and proclaimed they were skinhead shoes, and that i was moving things on, i've no doubt i would get told to ef off and probably recieve a poke in the eye.

    I think theres alternatives regarding the name stuff, ie Royals are no longer available but theres plenty of nice longwings out there.
    Tbh i think theres still a lot of good kit out there, you just have to look long and hard to get it, and in some cases be prepaired to pay for it.

    As for the mod thing like i said seen countless arguments, i'll leave the ' but is it mod' to those who it concerns, and have more knowledge than me
     
  2. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Well-Known Member

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    So you do agree with alternatives ? ( to the Royals at least ) so that's a start,some purists would say no it has to be Royals or nothing.
    Now even I wouldn't think about winkle pickers,but I do like my black brogue boots,not worn back in the day,but so what ? ,theres no way I am going to nail my self into a 4 year style box.
    For instance,whats been talked about here today ? Paraboots a nice alternative to ( much as I love them ) pretty poor quality monkey boots or the DM boot now the choice of teenage girls,so Paraboots weren't worn here in the 70s,so what ?.
    Now I have mentioned derby half brogues recently,again not available here "back in the day",so if you look at them and think they look good with jeans,are you going to then think oh what a shame I cant wear them because they weren't worn in 68/71 ?.
    Now if that's the case fair play ,but to me it becomes like a re-enactment thing,and to be quite honest I am not into all that "style rules" stuff,I would rather make my own choices ( and mistakes ).
     
  3. con man

    con man Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I don't doubt anything about what Mark says in this article, he is a well known and respected figure on the traditional styled Skinhead scene, as it is today and like Basset says, he puts on some good do's, notably Liquidator in Leicester, he is a good Reggae Dj and his missus plays out some good Northern and R&B.....he and another well known Dj and sound system owner have managed to organise a Reggae Room at the Keele Allnighter (Newcastle under Lyme / Stoke on Trent), a well known Northern night over the last couple of decades and should be cracking night in April 2014, if Marks events in the past are anything to go by
     
  4. Basset

    Basset Well-Known Member

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    You asked the questions, i gave you my answers and opinions.
    I dont think i've ever told anyone on here what they should or shouldn't wear and im not about to.

    You mention a couple of items not worn back in the day, not skinhead or suede then are they? thats what this thread has discussed in depth, whats smart and stylish outside of those styles is another.

    I do agree with alternatives, thats a start? i used the Royals as example, there's countless others, i'd like a wardrobe full of original Ben shermans, aint gonna happen with my neck size, so i try to buy shirts as close to that style as possible.

    Not worn in 68/71, cant wear them? there's a lot of folk who do think like that ( including myself ), from lads in there twentys, to blokes in there 50/60's, i dont think anyones re-enacting anything.

    Everybody has/had style rules, thats why this thread exists, you yourself make an effort to dress smartly when you go out, so you have your rules, nothing wrong with that
     
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  6. Clouseau

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    Folks, i didn't want to upset anybody mentioning Paraboots. I don't think the "Michael" Paraboots are too off topic, as they exist since 1945, and have been worn by Jean Paul Belmondo in several films from the "Nouvelle vague" that were appreciated by mods. I've red somewhere that in 1968 and 1969, Mods wore different types of French and Italian shoes. And i know that J.Simons stock Paraboots for a very long time.
     
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  7. browniecj

    browniecj Well-Known Member

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    Interesting Posts on here.I will go through a couple,if I may:-

    When I was 7 my eldest sister used to knock about withTeddy Boys.I spoke to them(as well as any spotty kid would do),I saw what they were wearing but no way could I be an expert on what they did etc.Only by the Papers.Fast forward that to `64.I(at14)went to Carnaby Street,saw the Boutiques,bought some Clothes but in no way was I an expert(then) on what Mods did,again only reading the Paper.Do you see where I am going with this?Lasttye was 16, earning so he was pretty much clued up with what was going on(his Mates were the same)but younger(12/13) and you were an observer.Yes you saw what Skinheads were wearing and yes you had an idea where they hung out but,apart from that,pure speculation and reading of Newspapers.I was not part of the ICF but I knew about them etc.

    I know Mark puts on a good Do,I have been to a couple-and probably his knowledge of Reggae is good,but then any Collector should know what he is buying.I am not having a personal dig .


    I still go into Next(not for myself) but to look for my step - Grandchildren .What I do notice is,a lot of 40/50 year olds are looking at the Stock-but Next cater for the throwaway Generation.If only the Management would go around and see who exactly is visiting their shops).


    Royals or Brogues/I still like both and if I see a decent pair-I would buy it.
     
  8. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Well-Known Member

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    Clouseau.I have been meaning to ask about peoples experiences with shoe sizes,I find different shoe companies can be slightly different ( even different types of shoe from the same company sometimes ).
    I have found that the Loakes I have tried on and bought so far that a 10 is perfect for me,are the Paraboot Michael true to size ? or do you have to buy smaller ?.
    Also I think that there can be some confusion with the conversion from UK to European sizes,some firms advertise Euro 44 as a 10 but it should be 44.5 IMO.
     
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    Cerneabbas, i agree there can be some confusion. i'm a UK10 (i would say a "full 10", sometimes i've got to go for 10 and a half, in some brands) and in European size i'm 45. The "Michael" are true to size, maybe just a little smaller. I've got them in 45 and there just good. I would go for 45 if i were you, otherwise 44,5 but i don't think Paraboot does half-sizes (they didn't in the past). Anyway, don't buy smaller IMO.
     
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  10. cerneabbas

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    Clouseau.Thanks for that information,I am guessing here but I think that the confusion with the Euro/UK size conversion is the reason why shoes are being sold on e bay as "only worn twice",probably they were a half size too small when they were bought.
     
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    Clouseau Well-Known Member

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  12. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Well-Known Member

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    Quote: I think that you have made a good point here,in the 60s/70s there were gents outfitters that provided for blokes in their 40s50s60s,now most of those shops are gone,or in the case of Burtons have changed to provide tatty stuff for a younger customer.
    I think that shops are missing out here,because these days its the over 45s who have got more disposable income than the teenagers ( kids grown up,mortgage payed up ),plus its the older blokes ( us ) that want to look smart...we need a better quality "Next" not Peacocks or BHS.
    I think the same about Lads magazines,all aimed at blokes in their 20s ?,surely theres a market for a magazine for older "lads".
     
  13. Ed Vaughan

    Ed Vaughan Well-Known Member

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    If the information in this thread is right, then Kettering.

    http://www.styleforum.net/t/360292/my-visit-to-loake

    John Simons told me a year or two ago that Royals were only assembled in the UK but things may have changed.
     
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  15. Ed Vaughan

    Ed Vaughan Well-Known Member

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    I'm a member of a Manchester - contemporary history - forum and enquired about whether any originals had skinhead pics that may be useful for 'the book'.

    Still early days, but one poster sent me this: http://www.squidoo.com/mods-soul-mods

    which may interest some of our (cough) more mature posters. :happy:
     
  16. Gsvs5

    Gsvs5 Well-Known Member

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    Talking of quality and variations in lines produced,I just returned these Cheaney boots to the vendor (Yoxx).i was hoping for a result,and that just maybe the leather quality would be better than I had anticipated on ordering,but it wasn't.After all these years I should know that there's no such thing as a free lunch when you buy quality footwear.
     
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  17. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Well-Known Member

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    A young Cerneabbas,at a football match mid 70s..I found this picture in a box yesterday,I still have that scarf I bought it in the Chelsea shop.
     
  18. Ed Vaughan

    Ed Vaughan Well-Known Member

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    That Lone Ranger mask was never standard issue in '69 - go and stand in the corner! :happy:
     
  19. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Well-Known Member

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    I dont want to be identified as the bloke who had such dodgy turnups !
     
  20. Ed Vaughan

    Ed Vaughan Well-Known Member

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    Thank you - may give them a shuftie.

    The missus brought home some shoes for me - I never shop - last weekend.

    A par of Loake brogues - very average for £145 and another pair I never even took both shoes out of the box.

    They were longwing style-ee, but with the current trend for a wooden-ish brown-type sole and heel... and £195. (Can't remeber the Name but they were from John Lewis and well-made, by all accounts.

    I shall withhold my favours from her :happy: - until she gets it right.

    I'm sure she's gutted. :satisfied:
     
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