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Mid-century Despots from LIFE Magazine

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by voxsartoria, Feb 16, 2009.

  1. rach2jlc

    rach2jlc Well-Known Member

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    Let's play my favorite Wednesday morning game... FIND THE DESPOT. [​IMG]
     
  2. mack11211

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    Let's play my favorite Wednesday morning game... FIND THE DESPOT.

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    Dude on the left, or some smaller dude hiding in the latticework pattern of the darkhaired lady's dress?
     
  3. mack11211

    mack11211 Well-Known Member

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    Dude on the left, or some smaller dude hiding in the latticework pattern of the darkhaired lady's dress?

    EDIT: Wait, is that darkhaired lady Romania's most famous would-be PhD?
     
  4. rach2jlc

    rach2jlc Well-Known Member

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    EDIT: Wait, is that darkhaired lady Romania's most famous would-be PhD?
    Ding ding ding! We have a winner. And standing next to tricky Dick is, of course, Comrade Nicolae Causescu and his LOVELY wife Elena.
     
  5. Fuuma

    Fuuma Well-Known Member

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    Let's not forget that it was, essentially, the Nationalists (ie Franco's side) that started the war, by staging a military coup and thence a revolution against a democratically elected government. Further, well researched and historically credible accounts (such as that by Antony Beevor), reckon that the Republicans probably killed around 37 000 people during the way, whilst the Nationalists killed around 200 000 both during and after the war. Clearly, following the Nationalist victory, there was a massive purge in which the victors settled a lot of grudges. If I remember correctly, Federico Garcia Lorca was one of the casualties of the post-war purge by the Nationalists.

    Anyway, back on topic, it really is quite depressing to see just how well diplomats used to dress. I have quite a few friends who are diplomats and their usual standard is quite low - cheap white shirts with wrinkled collars, cheaply-made Chinese MTM suits and square-toed shoes. I should send them some photos from this thread...


    The purges started as soon as they occupied a city so it was during and after the war. I'm glad we've got two genuine fascists on the board, maybe they can post pictures of them in uniform posing before a Mussolini or Hitler bust (they fought the socialists too, along Franco might I had).
     
  6. winston

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    Who was that leftist, quite the serial killer? The 50K religious people thing have been debunked, the numbers are far inferior to that, which doesn't make it a hoot but still. The Nationalists killed far more people than the republicans during repressions (say when they occupied new territories and were summarily executing people). So if you want to look at it that way (as a number game), please don't bring your bullshit into the forum.

    The numbers (most were killed during the summer of 36, not before):

    13 bishops
    4184 priests
    2365 members of various orders
    283 women members of religious orders
    Most if not all of these deaths were not centrally planned by the government but the results of angry mobs.
    Franco had a few religious people executed in the Basque territory.

    Note that the highly tendentious act of accusation made by Nationalists after the war alluded to one case of rape of a religious woman and didn't bring any sort of proof or pursue the matter further. I don't doubt the war lead to rapes, notable among them the ones the African legion (Franco's most celebrated troops) perpetrated on various secular women before summarily executing them.

    During the war Nationalists propaganda would use the number 20K (for religious people) and after 7937. The 50K (after war) is the total number of people killed by republicans down to 500K. Both numbers are false...

    Realistic numbers (only the repressions and massacres, not the actual fighting):
    Republicans: 38K
    Nationalists: 200K


    I'm always sceptical of leftist interpretations of these things, but let's say you're right. Think of all the people saved in the future should Spain have fallen to communism, (nobody's hands are as bloody as the far left) and the possible knock-on effect of that through the rest of Europe. I'm thankful that Franco allowed Spain to hold out from leftist subversion for as long as it did. It's not going too well there now, unfortunately. I'm not a fascist (although I'm not anti-fascist) but better that than a communist.
     
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    I'm always sceptical of leftist interpretations of these things, but let's say you're right. Think of all the people saved in the future should Spain have fallen to communism, (nobody's hands are as bloody as the far left) and the possible knock-on effect of that through the rest of Europe. I'm thankful that Franco allowed Spain to hold out from leftist subversion for as long as it did. It's not going too well there now, unfortunately. I'm not a fascist (although I'm not anti-fascist) but better that than a communist.

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  8. dsmolken

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    An old photo of Lee Kwan Yew... can't find any really good ones.

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    The purges started as soon as they occupied a city so it was during and after the war. I'm glad we've got two genuine fascists on the board, maybe they can post pictures of them in uniform posing before a Mussolini or Hitler bust (they fought the socialists too, along Franco might I had).
    Stalin fought the national socialists too, that does not make him admirable.
     
  9. marc237

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    I always thought Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein was a well-dressed modern monarch. Seems to only wear navy double-breasted suits. Makes you wonder if he always wears the same shoes. He's not a very brutal despot, but he did reform his country to increase royal power which is kinda despotic, right?

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    In the realm of despotism, it ought be noted that he wrested power not with the gun or the sword, but by the threat to move to Austria. Evidently, the principality of Liechtenstein believed that retaining his personal fortune of more than 5 billion and the wealth of his other relatives warranted various concessions.
     
  10. Fuuma

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    Stalin fought the national socialists too, that does not make him admirable.

    Stalin and Hitler aren’t the only two choices of ideology to support in this world, thankfully. Can’t you reject Stalinism without supporting Fascism?

    A little bit of info about Spain and the communist menace:

    -The republican gov was democratically elected and a coalition, not a communist gov. The country was instable but the conditions weren’t in place for a 1917 Russian revolution.

    -Spain’s communist party was a small (but well organized) one before the War (it grew during the war for various reasons). Not that it matters as, in the 30s, the Komintern’s policy was to support the bourgeois-democracies as a foil against the rising tide of Fascism. Communist directives actively sought to stop sympathisers and everyone following party line to engage in gov toppling and any form of revolution. You had a lot more communists in France, for example, and they supported democracy. This is where the "help keep Marxism out of Spain, vote communist" joke came from.

    -Governmental instability and military coups were a part of the Spanish landscape, Franco may have said (and thought) he was participating in a crusade against atheism and communism and that surely helped him gather and keep his support during the war but he followed a pattern common to various Spanish generals. Fact is he stayed in power for a long time and had
     
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    Man, Vox is two for two on being threadjacked, I'm excited to see how the Steve McQueen thread gets f*cked up...
     
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    Man, Vox is two for two on being threadjacked, I'm excited to see how the Steve McQueen thread gets f*cked up...

    I thought he liked getting threadjacked. Oops.
     
  13. dsmolken

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    FDR and Somoza:

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    Stalin and Hitler aren't the only two choices of ideology to support in this world, thankfully.
    Yup, thankfully. For all practical purposes, I don't see a difference between national socialism and plain ol' socialism. Murderous ideologies with a habit of invading my country both. I was just pointing out that killing lots of socialists won't necessarily make you an admirable leader.
     
  14. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    I thought he liked getting threadjacked. Oops.

    The political tangents in this thread are outrageous. I'm fuuming.

    I mean, why anyone would bring up politics when we're simply discussing what despotic, tyrannical, evil psychotics surrounded by yes men wore is quite beyond me.

    Have I mentioned that I'm fuuming?


    - B
     
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    FDR and Somoza:

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    Somoza's morning dress is [​IMG]
     
  16. bengal-stripe

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    Nobody has mentioned him so far (another snappy dresser):

    Rafael Trujillo (1891 - 1961). Dictator of the Dominican Republic from 1930 - 1961

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    Surely we cannot leave him out.

    Also one-time father in law to Porfirio Rubirosa (of peppermill fame).

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    Nice web-site here:

    http://www.dictatorofthemonth.com/
     
  17. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    "I'm excited to see how the Steve McQueen thread gets f*cked up..."

    Some Brits will probably be hacked off that some Americans showed up in "The Great Escape"...a movie with some great POW clothes.
     
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    "I'm excited to see how the Steve McQueen thread gets f*cked up..."

    Some Brits will probably be hacked off that some Americans showed up in "The Great Escape"...a movie with some great POW clothes.


    I do not recall any plaid [​IMG]
     
  20. james_timothy

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    Remind me- what was the answer? It's ok to be a murderous absolute dictator as long as one is right wing?

    Enquiring minds want to know!
     

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