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MADE IN CHINA

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by garyjames, Jan 28, 2012.

  1. pujuma

    pujuma Active Member

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    To me, when it says "Imported" that means - in 90% case - China.

    Now, to you - what if it's made in other emerging economy countries like Vietnam, India, Mexico, Thailand or (gasp) Haiti....?
    would you feel different ?
    I would because I believe China does better than all these other countries. Remember HK ? How it used to be the place where a shitload of clothings are amde ? well China now is like HK times 6865416574654.

    Also I share your feeling. Polo RL baseline used to be mostly "Made in HK", now it's all China.
     
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  2. Pantisocrat

    Pantisocrat Well-Known Member

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    The manufacturers charge high prices for products made in China for the simple reason that over time expensive Chinese goods will be the norm for their customer base. As a customer, avoid Chinese made as much as you can. When you take a bite of the forbidden apple (finding a nice Chinese cashmere scarf or silk pocket square), you'll lose that bias. It's like dating a someone out of your race for the first time. Sheryl Crow sings in one of her songs, "the first cut is the deepest" and it is true. The manufacturers know they charge high prices for something they got cheap, but they gamble on changing minds, for you to accept the norm when there are less suppliers of quality products.
     
  3. lithdoc

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    You obviously don't know what you're talking about. People who make garments through UNITE make ~$40-50k, much more than minimum wage. Acquisition cost of say, country club blazer vs. blazer made in Thailand for BB differs by an order of magnitude.
     
  4. Viral

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    Of course I don't - only you do.

    OP: Who gives a fuck? If you don't like it then don't buy it. Or, in your case, return it :D
     
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  5. blahman

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    Until there is a consensus on the definition of 'unfair' and who this unfairness should apply to, I call the unfairness argument utter B.S.
    Is it unfair to pay Chinese workers less that what the workers in the US of A get paid? Or is it unfair to the good American manufacturing sector that lose out because manufacturing moved to a cheaper country? And is it really fair to enforce an American standard minimum wage on Chinese manufacturing and all those would-be-low-paid Chinese workers remain unemployed due to manufacturing completely moving off elsewhere? Or, as unlikely as it sounds because we're all such nice people, is it unfair to you because you feel that you are just paying that premium price where you know the apparent manufacturing costs are that much lower and that you are entitled to a share of the cost savings, regardless of the quality of the garment?

    Or is it more of just challenging currently established views on where quality comes from, or just prejudice, or blind nationalism?

    By the way, manufacturing moving out of China is very real and already happening, due to rapid growth in Chinese wages and especially minimum wage floors set by the government *gasp*, many companies are starting to believe China is becoming expensive.


    Purchasing a high quality Chinese product some how leading to a flood of low quality product: please elaborate.
     
  6. chogall

    chogall Well-Known Member

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    Last time that I checked, HK is part of China. And before HK became part of China, they did employee a significant number of Chinese nationals, aka, American Apparel style. Made in downtown LA, by imported and not necessarily legal workers.

    It is the corporate responsibility of the outsourcing companies to audit and control the quality of their outside manufacturers. if you thinik Made in China RL articles have bad quality, it is most likely due to RL Polo's lax quality control standard imposed on their Chinese manufacturers.

    Or you are naive enough to believe that once manufacturing is outsourced, the outsourcing company is relieved of all supervisory and corporate responsibility of its own product?
     
  7. MikeDT

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    Hands up anyone who's reading this threak on a computer that was NOT made in China..

    ME!!....anyone else


    ...as for clothes though, pretty much everything I've got was made in China, can't be helped sometimes.
     
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  8. Towers

    Towers Well-Known Member

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    I cant tell if this is meant to be a dig at AA, gays, the U.S. or all three.
     
  9. blahman

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    That is very hard to believe. I can't think of any computer that isn't made in China or has made in China components.
     
  10. ultramantaro

    ultramantaro Well-Known Member

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    I think the point that the OP was trying to make that he doesn't want to pay a premium for clothing that's made somewhere with low labor costs. China is one of them, but so is Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, Romania, Turkey, etc.

    But yes, sometimes made in Italy doesn't always spell quality, but perception is also reality 99% of the time.
     
  11. max b

    max b Well-Known Member

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    We had this kind of discussions often on this forum and on others site on the web.
    I suppose the only point it is the final consumer has the right to know what is buying and where it is made. Then the final decision it's up to him. I don't think the heart of discussion is about the quality (the final consumer will decide if the quality is good or not), but about the information Companies give to the consumers. I'm the first to tell the consumer is king and the law of the market is queen, only there must be also a law about telling the truth about origin, process, protection of the health...
    What I'm asking it's very simple : the truth, only and simply the truth..
     
  12. dorolf07

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    It is best to email the store most would gladly give the info on it.
     
  13. lithdoc

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    You just gotta love how when it is made in china, thailand, malaysia, philippines, its labeled as "imported," but any in the west its labeled all over the place.
     
  14. MikeDT

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    I think it's an image and perception thing. "Made in United States of America" looks so much better on Brooks Brothers or Ralph Lauren's website than something like "Made in People's Republic of China" or "Made in Socialist Republic of Vietnam" or "Made in Lao People's Democratic Republic"...so they tend to use the "imported" euphemism.
     
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  15. pujuma

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    umm Captain Obvious ? Not talking about borders/politics here.
    I was refering to economy. HK wage level is near equal to the West. (so the slave wage finger-wagging wasn't there)
     
  16. pujuma

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    yeah it comes down to the most basic of human instinct: Prejudice.
     
  17. Viral

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    +1

    In America it takes on the form of ignorance.......
     
  18. connor09

    connor09 Well-Known Member

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    It may be hard to accept for some countries but the truth is China has become a dominant force in practically everything in manufacturing. It is a bitter pill to swallow but one that we all have to accept.
     
  19. buzzron

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    Not just in China, mostly southeast asia.
     
  20. atlrus

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    Not really.

    Before the big move of manufacture to China, a label "Made in China" meant nothing bad at all and some goods were prized for being made in China. Today, most companies that outsorce to China automatically lower the quality, as well, hence the perceived notion that made in China means low quality.

    To be perfectly honest, my most durable footwear ever has been a pair of Nike running shoes (made somewhere in East Asia, not sure which country) that I have owned for over 10 years - taken regular beating, washed in the washing machine, never had to resole, restore or do anything and they still look new. Heck, they still have their original laces.

    I personally don't believe that made in China automatically means low quality. I am sure China has more qualified seamstresses than any other country in the world. If an item is made with quality materials by a well-trained worker - it doesn't really matter what is the country of origin. And this is up to the manufacturer. There are many examples - Nike, Apple, etc. pull out quality products made in SE Asia (including China) all the time.
     
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