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MADE IN CHINA - That dreadful print on the label

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by keagz08, Jun 6, 2013.

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  1. keagz08

    keagz08 Member

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    Hi

    I'm Keagan, 22, from Cape Town. I'm new to this forum and it's about time I joined. I'm a junior in IT so I don't wear suits or anything too formal very often. I'm usually in a V-Neck T, slim fit/skinny trousers and somewhat stylish shoes/boots (no sneakers or running shoes). Enough about me! I'd like to get your opinion on something...

    I just wanted to get your take on clothes and accessories which are Made In China? I'm been trying to avoid them for the last few months because I'm not sure about the build quality. I'd buy something cheap if it was Made In China but as soon as stuff gets a little more pricey and I see that on the label I walk away from it no matter how much I like it.

    Am I wrong? What's your opinion on stuff that comes out of China in terms of quality and more importantly value for money? What percentage of the clothes and accessories you buy come from the People's Republic?

    So I guess the bottom line is, should I really care if something is made in China especially when it's a little more pricey? Not expensive, just not cheap?
     
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  2. SirGrotius

    SirGrotius Well-Known Member

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    If you search around this has been done many times, however, as a general rule of thumb MIC is not going to be at the same level of quality as something MII or certainly not MIF. That said, some people like getting disposable, less-expensive stylish clothes from China. I wear nothing made there, because it always looks bad in a year, at least in my experience.

    If you're just starting out at age 22, I wonder if you can avoid it, however? It's not the worst thing in the world, especially at that age, as your fashion sensibility will likely be changing a lot. Your biggest investments should be nice shoes, maybe a blazer if you want to step up your game, and eventually a watch but not everyone agrees on that last point.

    Finally, dress for the position you want, not to be junior for too long. :)
     
  3. 4characters

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    Thank you for starting this thread, I personaly try to never buy from china or other slave nations unless I am supporting is the person that would have otherwize been a slave. In other words I would support artisans/crafts people.

    My take on getting quality new stuff cheep :
    -check Ebay--- buying stuff from ebay can be realy cheap, example I just perchased a $150 pair of N&F jeans for about $70 made in Canada from selvedge from Japan.. also made in china stuff from ebay is often ok, but there may also be better alternatives
    -buy someting durable--- like ironheart jeans that will last years if you treat them well
    -example-- White's boots of Spokan, WA. are wonderfull and last years, sometimes even decades
    - buy fewer things and more nice things-- Haris tweed jacket-Sotland, Whites Boots of Spokan,Wa., Alden shoes-US, heavy japanese jeans from ebay, fine wool pants.

    buying from china is often easyer, the question you need to ask yourself is do you care about people in other countries?

    some say that the free market makes life better for everyone everywhere or atleast will someday... but can we stand buy while our fellow man, woman, and child are being mistreated and abused, raped and inslaved?

    some say yes, some say no....


    Chances are you will get some people talking about how stupid it is to care if stuff is made in china, but I say GOOD JOB! for trying to avoid stuff made in china!
     
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  4. Alphataru

    Alphataru Well-Known Member

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    Factory workers in China are 'slave' labor? Please stop talking about shit you know nothing about.

    In terms of OP's question, you should learn to judge quality yourself. It will take time, but eventually, you will be able to tell from stitching and feel of material how good it was built.
     
  5. VCircuit

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    I mean the flipside of this is that you're otherizing China as a "slave nation" as if wage slavery, exploitation of immigrant labor, etc. is not an American thing. Boycots in particular are tricky because it's often not obvious how the boycot plans to put pressure in the right places to affect actual change; more often than not participating in a boycot is merely a redemptive act for the consumer ("I don't participate in the system") rather than a strategy for justice.

    If you "care about people in other countries" then I hope your involvement extends beyond personal purchasing strategies, and if you are involved in more substantial ways then i don't think buying Chinese should be damning. These days I only participate in boycots if there's an explicit call for them from the ground.

    This doesn't really belong here but w/e
     
  6. 4characters

    4characters Well-Known Member

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    "A necessitous man is not a free man (Franklin D. Roosevelt)"

    I don't boycott, I just buy what I want to support.
     
  7. hoodyear

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    Mind if I ask where those hideous Nikes that you love so damn much were made?
     
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  8. Distorbiant

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    LMAO
     
  9. 4characters

    4characters Well-Known Member

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    Korea or Communist China, they are vintage 18 year old 1995 shoes that my father perchased not realizing that they where made by necessitous labor...
    buying stuff that is made in china from a third party(like ebay) I think is just fine...

    I just prchased a new pair of shoes, hand made in USA....
    White's boots vintage line packers.
     
  10. 4characters

    4characters Well-Known Member

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    oh, looks like we have the troll squad...... hoodyear and Distorbiant
     
  11. Distorbiant

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    So if your dad didn't know about it, that makes the slave labor okay?
     
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    So buying directly from China is bad, but using a third-party who sources from China is not. Got it.
     
  13. hoodyear

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    You thanked Keagan for starting this thread but did you even bother to read his post past the title before firing off your xenophobic rant? His was a sensible question (albeit one that's been asked before) of disparities in quality. You derailed the thread to talk ethics--about which in this particular case you know nothing, by the way--but I'm the troll?
     
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  14. 4characters

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    ok talk about what you see as ethics, all knowing troll...

    stop hating and start contributing...
     
  15. 4characters

    4characters Well-Known Member

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    what would you have me do troll? punish my father for forgetting to check a tag 18 years ago?
     
  16. hoodyear

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    I already did, the last time we had this discussion here, but fine. Just for you:

    Altogether I spend about 2 months out of the year in China, following production and visiting factories, so I can confirm that yes, the Chinese have the skills and resources to produce high quality products. But ultimately it is my responsibility to enforce the standards set forth by my employer. This means approving (and rejecting) materials, correcting patterns (4 or 5 prototypes are typically made before the final product), etc. So whether or not what hits the shelf is a good product depends on how much time and money my employer is willing to put into it. Because any manufacturer, anywhere in the world, is only going to make something once, unless you tell them to make it again. As such, I would suggest to Keagan that he look less at where a product is made, and more at who makes it, such that over time he can build that list of companies he trusts.

    As for the ethical argument, Chinese labor laws are actually quite robust. The minimum wage has increased steadily over the last few decades. It isn't a living wage but neither is the US's. They have universal healthcare for urban workers. We don't. China mandates 3 months paid maternity leave. We don't. The gender employment and wage gaps are comparable to ours. Overtime pay is 2x on weekends and 3x on holidays. Here it's as low as 1.5x. They get at least 3 weeks worth of holidays. And the legal working age is 16, same as here.

    Have I seen some messed up shit? Yes, but that was the exception, not the rule. And you damn well better believe there's exploitation of every kind happening here in the States.
     
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  17. chinesealpha

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    [​IMG] thx Hoodyear.

    I love how the mere mention of China brings out the chest thumping artisinal fanbois, as though ethical clothing purchases make an ounce of difference in the grand scheme? If you ever buy non-organic vegetables from overseas, if you ever eat farmed meat, if you drive or fly, if you pay your taxes, if you purchase anything made of paper, then you are, in some way, contributing to the destruction of the planet. That your pants were sewn in a G8 country makes no difference, except in your own mind. End rant.
     
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  18. LA Guy

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    I'm closing this thread, since it has taken on a political tone. If you want to argue the politics of labor, there is the Current Events forum. Good luck.

    Cheers,

    Fok.
     
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