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Loake Pimlico--Chukka's

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by rexthedestroyer, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. 020-banker

    020-banker Well-Known Member

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    It says £164.95 on that site you've linked.

    Prices rising everywhere. Bollocks.
     
  2. mdp0430

    mdp0430 Well-Known Member

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    I've been contemplating these as well... Wondering how these would look with a suit or dress pants? Also, confused on the fit. I wear an AE 10D in the Strand, but the same size in the Delray feels a bit tight. Any thoughts on where I would be in a Plimlico? As always, thanks!
     
  3. MaxH

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    Have you seen the Pimlico or Kemptons in a calf leather in real life, by chance? I've read some reviews here by people who have said they look a bit plasticky. Is this actually the case? I was considering calf leather.

    I've seen the Kemptons. Maybe it was because they were a display pair which might have been sitting on the shelf for a couple of months, but they looked dull and to my eyes a bit utilitarian on the 026 last, though the leather was not plasticky. I don't think I've seen the Pimlicos in leather.

    I think the suede Pimlicos are nicer looking than the AS equivalent, and aren't really shamed by the C&J Chukkas or even the Tricker's suede boots (though the latter are incredibly well made, and the pair I tried had a really marvellous rusty-red-brown colour). The main criticisms of Loake - quality of leather and lack of 'sleekness' - just don't apply here and the Capital last works well in my view for this style of footwear.

    I should repeat that I don't actually own a pair yet. When I do, I'll add a note to this thread.

    -- MaxH
     
  4. Marcellionheart

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    If you want a suede and aren't in the Uk, the Pimlico's are actually still #125 at Pediwear.
     
  5. NukeMeSlowly

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    I've been contemplating these as well... Wondering how these would look with a suit or dress pants? Also, confused on the fit. I wear an AE 10D in the Strand, but the same size in the Delray feels a bit tight. Any thoughts on where I would be in a Plimlico? As always, thanks!

    FWIW, I wear an 8.5D in the Strand and UK7F in the Pimlico.
     
  6. BicesterRules

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    I would be reticent about buying anything Loake because at least in the UK they are dropping cheap low quality shoes all over the place- I mean lots of mid-lower tier shoe shops are selling low quality Loakes, and u can find them in TKMaxx (UK version of TJMaxx) which in my mind is never a good thing. When a brand strats going downmarket in some shoes can u trust them to keep it upmarket on other shoes? maybe, maybe not
     
  7. Szeph el raton

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    I would be reticent about buying anything Loake because at least in the UK they are dropping cheap low quality shoes all over the place- I mean lots of mid-lower tier shoe shops are selling low quality Loakes, and u can find them in TKMaxx (UK version of TJMaxx) which in my mind is never a good thing. When a brand strats going downmarket in some shoes can u trust them to keep it upmarket on other shoes? maybe, maybe not
    Well, only buy Loake 1880. The others have worse leather. And Loake is obviously a real entry shoe and not high end, I think it would be worth it for someone who's just starting out as they're not leaving a dent in his wallet like directly going for Crockett&Jones or higher.

    I have the Loake Aldwych and the Buckingham. Both are fine for their price but I feel like the Aldwych is a little better somehow. It's kinda weird, the Aldwych is also the most comfortable shoe I have, didn't find one fitting that well in my pursues of Grenson or Alden yet. Will try to see how Crockett&Jones fits but the local dealer never stocks my UK7 [​IMG]
     
  8. BicesterRules

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    Well, only buy Loake 1880. The others have worse leather. And Loake is obviously a real entry shoe and not high end, I think it would be worth it for someone who's just starting out as they're not leaving a dent in his wallet like directly going for Crockett&Jones or higher.

    I have the Loake Aldwych and the Buckingham. Both are fine for their price but I feel like the Aldwych is a little better somehow. It's kinda weird, the Aldwych is also the most comfortable shoe I have, didn't find one fitting that well in my pursues of Grenson or Alden yet. Will try to see how Crockett&Jones fits but the local dealer never stocks my UK7 [​IMG]


    I would I do that? Loake 1880s are sold at about 185 pounds. I can get Church's, Tramezzas and a few good Zegnas and Bally Scribes for that +/- 30 pounds in the Bicester Outlet. Hell I got some nice tramezzas for 108 pounds a few months ago.

    I am sorry but once I see Loakes on the high street for 70 pounds I stop caring about 1880s or 2040s or whatever- clearly it is not a company targeting the quality market since they allow their name to be stuck on those products. Giving it some kind of iconic number does not change things even if I fully expect them to be better than the 70 pounds ones.

    Barker is another one. You can get them pretty cheap on the high street but then you go to Jermyn Street and it is like it is a different company (funny enough they don't sell Barkers Black- another 1880s kind of scam- in UK shops I know off- seems to be US only)- which may work well for selling to US people who know Jermyn only but doesn't if you live in the UK

    Of course the worse offenders in Jermyn street are TM Levin or Charles T who for some weird reason seem to be popular with the US crowd in this forum, while Pink, whose quality is better is not.

    Anyway Jermyn street I believe exists for the sole purpose of ripping off Americans and other business travellers
     
  9. chasingred

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    I would I do that? Loake 1880s are sold at about 185 pounds. I can get Church's, Tramezzas and a few good Zegnas and Bally Scribes for that +/- 30 pounds in the Bicester Outlet. Hell I got some nice tramezzas for 108 pounds a few months ago.

    I am sorry but once I see Loakes on the high street for 70 pounds I stop caring about 1880s or 2040s or whatever- clearly it is not a company targeting the quality market since they allow their name to be stuck on those products. Giving it some kind of iconic number does not change things even if I fully expect them to be better than the 70 pounds ones.

    Barker is another one. You can get them pretty cheap on the high street but then you go to Jermyn Street and it is like it is a different company (funny enough they don't sell Barkers Black- another 1880s kind of scam- in UK shops I know off- seems to be US only)- which may work well for selling to US people who know Jermyn only but doesn't if you live in the UK

    Of course the worse offenders in Jermyn street are TM Levin or Charles T who for some weird reason seem to be popular with the US crowd in this forum, while Pink, whose quality is better is not.

    Anyway Jermyn street I believe exists for the sole purpose of ripping off Americans and other business travellers


    Your logic is terrible.

    Mabitex sells at Daffys and they're one of the best pairs of pants one can get. Allen Edmonds, as well as Italian and English made Ralph Laurens, can be had at Nordstrom Rack. There are all sorts of quality goods out there at discount stores. Let's talk about how things are actually made and what materials are actually used, not some terrible shortcut logic (eg where things are being sold) to measure quality.
     
  10. Szeph el raton

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    If I look at Herring Shoes, Loake 1880 are 165 GBP and Churchs at least 255 GBP. I don't see where they compete in the same price range.

    Discussing Retail price for one company vs. picking up sales from another is absurd. The Americans here buy Allen Edmonds for 100 USD, that's fine, but in Switzerland they are around 500 USD and don't go on sale (Alden in Shell cost you between 700 and 800 USD here. Basically the US brands can't compete with UK on the price point in Europe).
     
  11. mdp0430

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    If I look at Herring Shoes, Loake 1880 are 165 GBP and Churchs at least 255 GBP. I don't see where they compete in the same price range.

    Discussing Retail price for one company vs. picking up sales from another is absurd. The Americans here buy Allen Edmonds for 100 USD, that's fine, but in Switzerland they are around 500 USD and don't go on sale (Alden in Shell cost you between 700 and 800 USD here. Basically the US brands can't compete with UK on the price point in Europe).


    On point. Tricker's could be on sale at Boots for 50 quid and it wouldn't really help most of us.

    Plus, it's kind of silly to poo-poo Loakes... they are decent quality by any stretch, on par (for the price point) with say Grenson. I have two 1880 line Loakes (Kempton and Bruford) and am not in a hurry to upgrade.

    The AE Malverns look pretty nice, especially the calf leather. If anyone picks up a pair, could you post a review?
     
  13. Marcellionheart

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    On point. Tricker's could be on sale at Boots for 50 quid and it wouldn't really help most of us.

    Plus, it's kind of silly to poo-poo Loakes... they are decent quality by any stretch, on par (for the price point) with say Grenson. I have two 1880 line Loakes (Kempton and Bruford) and am not in a hurry to upgrade.

    The AE Malverns look pretty nice, especially the calf leather. If anyone picks up a pair, could you post a review?


    I had a look at the Malverns today and have to say, they don't even touch the Loake's stylewise. The leather is better quality, but they look positively chunky compared to the Pimlico.
     
  14. BicesterRules

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    I don't want to badmouth Loake in the sense that I have only started paying attention to shoes in a more serious way recently- so I am happy to admit I am not the best source for historical info

    However

    I have seen a unprecedented proliferation of Loake shoes in medium-range "high street" shops (that is shops that exist in all towns/cities in the UK offering the same stuff ; for the US folk I reckon high-street=main street, although I assume u know the concept as the US economical model is probably responsible for the demise of local shops)

    I can also see them on TKMax, and as rebadged Charlie Tyr. Maybe they are keeping the good stuff away from the naff stuff, but I doubt it. As u know when part of a brand goes down it is because the brand is going down
     
  15. osc

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    I don’t want to badmouth Loake in the sense that I have only started paying attention to shoes in a more serious way recently- so I am happy to admit I am not the best source for historical info...

    I would be reticent about buying anything Loake because at least in the UK they are dropping cheap low quality shoes all over the place- I mean lots of mid-lower tier shoe shops are selling low quality Loakes, and u can find them in TKMaxx (UK version of TJMaxx) which in my mind is never a good thing. When a brand strats going downmarket in some shoes can u trust them to keep it upmarket on other shoes? maybe, maybe not

    I would I do that? Loake 1880s are sold at about 185 pounds. I can get Church’s, Tramezzas and a few good Zegnas and Bally Scribes for that +/- 30 pounds in the Bicester Outlet. Hell I got some nice tramezzas for 108 pounds a few months ago.

    I am sorry but once I see Loakes on the high street for 70 pounds I stop caring about 1880s or 2040s or whatever- clearly it is not a company targeting the quality market since they allow their name to be stuck on those products. Giving it some kind of iconic number does not change things even if I fully expect them to be better than the 70 pounds ones.

    Barker is another one. You can get them pretty cheap on the high street but then you go to Jermyn Street and it is like it is a different company (funny enough they don’t sell Barkers Black– another 1880s kind of scam- in UK shops I know off- seems to be US only)- which may work well for selling to US people who know Jermyn only but doesn’t if you live in the UK

    Of course the worse offenders in Jermyn street are TM Levin or Charles T who for some weird reason seem to be popular with the US crowd in this forum, while Pink, whose quality is better is not.

    Anyway Jermyn street I believe exists for the sole purpose of ripping off Americans and other business travellers


    ...
    However

    I have seen a unprecedented proliferation of Loake shoes in medium-range “high street” shops (that is shops that exist in all towns/cities in the UK offering the same stuff ; for the US folk I reckon high-street=main street, although I assume u know the concept as the US economical model is probably responsible for the demise of local shops)

    I can also see them on TKMax, and as rebadged Charlie Tyr. Maybe they are keeping the good stuff away from the naff stuff, but I doubt it. As u know when part of a brand goes down it is because the brand is going down


    We heard/read you the first time [​IMG] ... three posts later and it seems like you DO have something against Loake 1880s and the brand as a whole...

    Back on topic, these Chukkas look great - I will most likely be purchasing a pair shortly from Pediwear (or similar store) over the C&J Tetbury as the Tetbury are too sleek/chiseled, imho, for intended everyday casual use.
     
  16. NukeMeSlowly

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    Just ordered the Pimlico in dark brown suede from Pediwear. [​IMG] Should arrive in a week or so.
     
  17. miomall1

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    I'm probably missing something obvious to the rest of you, but could someone point out the difference between the Loake Kempton and Pimlico to me? Been meaning to give Loake a shot and figured I'd start with a pair of chukkas. Thanks much.
     
  18. BicesterRules

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    We heard/read you the first time [​IMG] ... three posts later and it seems like you DO have something against Loake 1880s and the brand as a whole...

    Back on topic, these Chukkas look great - I will most likely be purchasing a pair shortly from Pediwear (or similar store) over the C&J Tetbury as the Tetbury are too sleek/chiseled, imho, for intended everyday casual use.


    I have no personal interest in Loake doing well or badly-

    do you?

    I mean to compare C&J with Loake seems like unfair promotion of Loake- so why are you telling us all this stuff about dilemas that are not there? just sharing?

    Next time you will by telling us you cant choose between a 70£ Loake black Loafer and EG black loafer
     
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    I have no personal interest in Loake doing well or badly-

    do you?


    Not at all, but thanks for inquiring.

    I mean to compare C&J with Loake seems like unfair promotion of Loake- so why are you telling us all this stuff about dilemas that are not there? just sharing?

    Next time you will by telling us you cant choose between a 70£ Loake black Loafer and EG black loafer


    How did you know? Which should I choose, Loakes or EGs? As long as the shoe isn't at TKMaxx because that signifies poor brands! [​IMG]
     
  20. meso

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    I'm probably missing something obvious to the rest of you, but could someone point out the difference between the Loake Kempton and Pimlico to me? Been meaning to give Loake a shot and figured I'd start with a pair of chukkas. Thanks much.

    Different last, so slightly different shape. The Kemptons are the older of the two models and part of their 1880 line, so are probably better built and higher overall quality.

    I have the Kempton and am very pleased with them for 45 pounds (ebay score), despite the strange seizing of the package by US customs for 1 month with no explanation [​IMG] I would have second thoughts about paying 135 pounds or whatever they cost new. They're the suede version, and have a nice shape with a sharper toe than some of the pics in this thread suggest. Got a 10 UK, and I had to get insoles to get them to fit like my normal 10.5 US (so maybe go down a full size). Don't really have money to drop serious cash on more shoes... maybe I'll upgrade in a year or two. Don't really wear desert boot styled chukkas out too much.

    Cheers to Marcellionheart for feedback on the Malvern.
     

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