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Lasting longer in sex

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by veggieman, Aug 30, 2006.

  1. RicoItaliano

    RicoItaliano Well-Known Member

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    Eat meat

    WHAT?!?
     
  2. lance konami

    lance konami Well-Known Member

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    Give yourself permission to cum whenever the hell you want. Why does it always have to be about impressing her and pleasing her? You'll find that it will free you to be more relaxed, and you might find that you have even more control than you thought.

    Also, learn how to keep going after you cum. Anyone can learn this, just takes practice, practice, practice. And that is actually a porn secret by the way. A lot of those porn dudes have trained themselves to be able to cum at least twice per scene, but because of editing you don't always realize it.

    A third technique is to spend 5 or 10 minutes visualizing yourself being able to last as long as you want. Visualization is very effective, but it must be practiced consistently.

    Avoid drugs, avoid trips to the doc, there's nothing wrong with you bro. She's a hot piece of ass, they're supposed to make you want to cum.
     
  3. Soph

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    Please don't lecture me about poor man's science when you obviously haven't done the research yourself. Initial estimates were that a relatively small number of patients (i think it was around 15%) would be affected by the sexual side-effects of SSRIs. Once they got out on to the market, psychiatrists realized that the number of people affected was a lot higher than originally estimated. Here's an excerpt from the abstract of a study that was published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry.

    "With regard to SSRIs, sexual dysfunction occurs in 50% or more of such patients, which is substantially higher than the rates reported in the Physicians' Desk Reference. The reason for this discrepancy is that patients will not spontaneously report sexual problems and must be questioned about such problems directly"

    Hirschfeld, RM. Management of sexual side effects of antidepressant therapy. Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 1999;60(Suppl 14):27-30


    SSRIs work very well for treating depression and my understanding is that most patients eventually find ways to deal with the effects, either by switching to a different SSRI, supplementing with various other drugs, decreasing dosage, etc. Some switch off them completely to something like Wellbutrin XR which is generally accepted to be less effective for treating depression but with less side effects. There's obviously no one solution for everybody because it's a complex problem.

    As for dosages, I think that should be left to doctors, but you're right, often times docs start off with too high of a dosage because the pharmaceutical companies have a habit of suggesting starting doses which are too high.

    Btw, if you agree that 10 minutes is longer than average, then why on earth would you suggest he take an SSRI?


    - 1. 1999. What doesages were used, ah, they were the dosages to treat depression etc. not to prolong ejac. This is only one author's conclusion. Where's the data? Even then you can debate the the dosages the patient type etc. And even with your supposed conclusion by one author, it still doesn't deny the fact the drug 'DIDN'T' cause problems for 1/2. So why not try it. But in this case he should have a sex cons.

    You stated, "I've been on them before and after 30-40 minutes of supreme effort I still wouldn't be any closer. In fact, it's estimated that 30-50% of men taking it experience anorgasmia, ED, or both, which is definitely not a good thing. Some docs supplement with Wellbutrin, which helps in some cases, but there really isn't a solution that works for everyone."

    You stated because you had a problem someone else will too and you grouped '"anorgasmia,ED or both with 30-50% of men". Even by your own one study, one author line quoatation, the drugs were not a problem in 1/2 men.

    - 2. Levitra has data by itself for ejac. let alone it can be used multi modal with SSRI on lower dosages. Ah, then where is the side effect profile with this combination?

    - 3. Just so you know, Urologists prescribe Zoloft for this all the time, everyday, even as we are on this message board. And it can and is dose related. Where's your data again for dosing adjustments?

    - 4. What data do have to support "pharmaceutical companies habit of suggesting starting doses which are too high"?

    ---- Pharamceutical companies use what dosage achieves the best outcome with the best side effect profile and it is approved by the FDA. They do not try to use a higher dose out of habit etc. Please cite the study that support this comment. Good luck on that one.



    Also, in this case, a psych consultation would be in order as he's clearly within the norm.
     
  4. Soph

    Soph Well-Known Member

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    Dude, it's really not a problem and there's no reason to see a doctor. 10 minutes is plenty long for 18. As you have more sex and get older, you'll last longer. Men like to brag about their sexual prowess but I have a lot of female friends that are completely unsatisfied because their boyfriends don't last long enough and it's a touchy subject to bring up. I'm sure their boyfriends all go around saying how much of a stud they are and how much their gf enjoys being pounded by them. It's a lie :p I don't know who you're measuring yourself against but I'd be a little bit sceptical if I were you.

    If these are casual hook-ups and the girls are sleeping with other guys, which is likely from the way you describe your situation, I'd advise against going down on them. The last thing you want is herpes or HPV. It's easy miss the symptons and get it anyway. Use fingers instead. Going down on random chicks is really asking for trouble.


    There is a reason to see a sex therpaist at a teaching institution.

    Merck/HPV and vaccine:

    http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-H...ne.htm#hpvvac1
    I would strongly urge these 'women' you are with to look into this.
     
  5. Soph

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    I'm not sure these drugs are meant for extending ejaculation are they? They are meant for anxiety, depression, and can help with sexual compulsiveness because of the side effects of the drugs. Of course, anxiety could be a cause of premature ejaculation, and I'm being general, but the sexual side affects are side affects from the meds. I've never heard of them being prescribed for premature ejaculation unless the cause is secondary to anxiety.

    --- You're Urologist has a load of PFE's Zoloft on his shelf right now and has for several years. Urologists don't USUALLY treat depression so I think you realize why PFE samples them and Urologists write prescriptions for Zoloft.

    In another study presented at the AUA meeting, the erectile dysfunction drug Levitra appeared to help premature ejaculation.

    Frank Sommer, MD, PhD, a urology specialist at the University Medical Centre in Cologne, Germany, reported a small study in which 37 men with premature ejaculation received either Levitra or the SSRI antidepressant Zoloft.

    Both drugs improved premature ejaculation severity, although much stronger effects were seen for Levitra than for Zoloft. And Levitra also improved partner sexual satisfaction.

    "There is a potential usefulness of [Levitra] as a promising line of therapy in premature ejaculation," Sommer and colleagues wrote in their presentation abstract.

    Only one study, but this combination ideally will improve the sexual dysfunction side effect from zoloft(ssri's) if it does 'rear its head'
     
  6. alflauren

    alflauren Well-Known Member

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    The only way I can last long is:
    A.\tmasturbate before I have sex and go about 20 mins


    There is a better solution. Get her to give you a BJ first. Problem (usually) solved. I can't last for shit my first time either.
     
  7. GQgeek

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    - 1. 1999. What doesages were used, ah, they were the dosages to treat depression etc. not to prolong ejac. This is only one author's conclusion. Where's the data? Even then you can debate the the dosages the patient type etc. And even with your supposed conclusion by one author, it still doesn't deny the fact the drug 'DIDN'T' cause problems for 1/2. So why not try it. I'll lecture as you stated because you had a problem someone else will too. That's incorrect no matter how you try to get around it. Again, Poor man's science. You are wrong to make such an assumption as 100%. Even by your own one study, one author line quoatation, the drugs were not a problem in 1/2 men.

    - 2. Levitra has data by itself for ejac. let alone it can be used multi modal with SSRI on lower dosages. Ah, then where is the side effect profile with this combination?

    - 3. Just so you know, Urologists prescribe Zoloft for this all the time, everyday, even as we are on this message board. And it can and is dose related. Where's your data again for dosing adjustments?

    - 4. What data do have to support "pharmaceutical companies habit of suggesting starting doses which are too high"?

    ---- Pharamceutical companies use what dosage achieves the best outcome with the best side effect profile and it is approved by the FDA. They do not try to use a higher dose out of habit etc. Please cite the study that support this comment.


    1. The date of the article is irrelevant. The side-effects of SSRIs haven't changed. If you want the data and the full article go read the rest of it for yourself. Nobody is paying me to do research for SF. First you were saying it was just me, and now you're saying it's just 50%. If you want more citations, again, go look them up yourself. I guarantee that you will find plenty of peer-reviewed literature supporting the findings of the article I quoted. As for the dosage, I looked up the starting dose for citalopram (Celexa) for treating depression and premature ejaculation and it's the same, 20mg daily. If you want to look-up the other SSRIs, be my guest.

    2. Why not try it? Because the kid doesn't have a problem with pre-mature ejaculation. I suppose there a those doctors that prescribe whatever their patients want, but I can't imagine a responsible doctor prescribing SSRIs to an 18 year old kid who was "only" lasting through 10 minutes of intercourse. SSRIs have all sorts of nasty side-effects, so again, it's completely stupid to suggest taking them unless you have a real problem. A lot of guys would be very happy if they could last for 10 minutes of intercourse.

    3. I'm not disputing that ssris are prescribed for pre-mature ejaculation. What I am disputing is that it makes absolutely no sense to recommend those kinds of drugs to someone that doesn't have a problem. And even if you consider it reasonable to take drugs you don't need, for someone that doesn't have a problem, there's a high chance of sexual dysfunction.

    4. Pharmaceutical companies suggest a dosage which will be effective for the highest percentage of patients with an acceptable side effect profile. Yes, it's obviously approved by the FDA, but a good doctor should tailor the dosage to the individual. Often times the recommended starting dosage is too high for an individual and they get more side effects than are necessary. I'm not saying it's too high in that it's dangerous, just that it's higher than it needs to be for certain individuals and can cause unnecessary side-effects. This is particularly true for SSRIs because some people are super sensitive to them and can see improvements with very small doses. If you can't wrap your mind around that then I don't know what to say...
     
  8. GQgeek

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    There is a reason to see a sex therpaist at a teaching institution.

    Merck/HPV and vaccine:

    http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-H...ne.htm#hpvvac1
    I would strongly urge these 'women' you are with to look into this.


    Thanks but I knew about the vaccine. Most people don't and prudence never hurts. If you wanna go down on girls that sleep around a lot (as the OP implied), go for it.
     
  9. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member

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    ... considering I'm only 18...
    therein lay the issue dude. Everyone is over excitable at this age.

    WHAT?!?

    look at his handle...

    A third technique is to spend 5 or 10 minutes visualizing yourself being able to last as long as you want. Visualization is very effective, but it must be practiced consistently.

    or just visualise yourself with someone uglier. Fok maybe?

    Nobody is paying me to do research for SF.
    J - youre slippin'!

    I hate it when we find out that the mods are skimming off the research budget again.
     
  10. edmorel

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    Give yourself permission to cum whenever the hell you want. Why does it always have to be about impressing her and pleasing her?


    this is one of the top five reasons girls become muff divers.
     
  11. Soph

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    1. The date of the article is irrelevant. The side-effects of SSRIs haven't changed. If you want the data and the full article go read the rest of it for yourself. Nobody is paying me to do research for SF. First you were saying it was just me, and now you're saying it's just 50%. If you want more citations, again, go look them up yourself. I guarantee that you will find plenty of peer-reviewed literature supporting the findings of the article I quoted. As for the dosage, I looked up the starting dose for citalopram (Celexa) for treating depression and premature ejaculation and it's the same, 20mg daily. If you want to look-up the other SSRIs, be my guest.

    ---- No, I didn't say it was just you and now you're stating its 50% . I said you 'stated that because you have a side effect everyone else will' then you bring up a citation for 50 %.

    ---- Also you are making a common error of quoting 1999 data as a representation for the entire class. Using your 'Celexa' which is much more refined than say the original prozac, the incidence of impotence was 2.8% versus a placebo of < 1%. Placebo controlled directly from the PI. [​IMG]


    2. Why not try it? Because the kid doesn't have a problem with pre-mature ejaculation. I suppose there a those doctors that prescribe whatever their patients want, but I can't imagine a responsible doctor prescribing SSRIs to an 18 year old kid who was "only" lasting through 10 minutes of intercourse. SSRIs have all sorts of nasty side-effects, so again, it's completely stupid to suggest taking them unless you have a real problem. A lot of guys would be very happy if they could last for 10 minutes of intercourse.

    --- My why not try it obviously for those who are appropriate for it.
    I am quoted twice as saying in this particular kid's issue:
    From me,
    You FAILED again to copy what I wrote right after 'Why not try it?

    My quote, ***"So why not try it. But in this case he should have a sex cons."***

    ***"There is a reason to see a sex therpaist at a teaching institution."***
    You need to not delete reading the obvious for your own benefit.

    3. I'm not disputing that ssris are prescribed for pre-mature ejaculation. What I am disputing is that it makes absolutely no sense to recommend those kinds of drugs to someone that doesn't have a problem. And even if you consider it reasonable to take drugs you don't need, for someone that doesn't have a problem, there's a high chance of sexual dysfunction.

    ---2nd quote from me, "My quote, "So why not try it. But in this case he should have a sex cons."


    4. Pharmaceutical companies suggest a dosage which will be effective for the highest percentage of patients with an acceptable side effect profile. Yes, it's obviously approved by the FDA, but a good doctor should tailor the dosage to the individual. Often times the recommended starting dosage is too high for an individual and they get more side effects than are necessary. I'm not saying it's too high in that it's dangerous, just that it's higher than it needs to be for certain individuals and can cause unnecessary side-effects. This is particularly true for SSRIs because some people are super sensitive to them and can see improvements with very small doses. If you can't wrap your mind around that then I don't know what to say...[/quote]

    --- Please. You stated, "pharmaceutical companies habit of suggesting starting doses which are too high"?"
    ---This is simply not an accurate statement you have made.

    Now you are altering your over the top comments to at least some form of sanity. You should grasp not me. I don't make inaccurate, over the top claims and I don't misquote people.
     
  12. Soph

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    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    There is a reason to see a sex therpaist at a teaching institution.

    Merck/HPV and vaccine:

    http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-H...ne.htm#hpvvac1
    I would strongly urge these 'women' you are with to look into this.


    Thanks but I knew about the vaccine. Most people don't and prudence never hurts. If you wanna go down on girls that sleep around a lot (as the OP implied), go for it.

    --- Ah, these 'women' clearly refer to the kid not you. And then you really extrapolate by me recommeding the kids has these girls look into HPV prevention that somehow I 'wanna go down on girls that sleep around" --- Boy, you really get emotional with your exaggerated responses.[​IMG]

    --- The main thing is your heart is in the right place, and I agree you have to be real careful, because you don't want to get a disease with a little name nor do you want to have a modern day Scarlett S on your forehead with women."

    I hope you are having a good day.
     
  13. Manny Calavera

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    I've now cast this topic into the Hall of Shame.
     
  14. lance konami

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    this is one of the top five reasons girls become muff divers.

    Haha. And that's a bad thing?

    Don't get me wrong, I love pleasing a woman. But her pleasure is not more important than mine. My point is really just a bit of reverse psychology. A lot of guys, myself included, used to be totally preoccupied with "pleasing her" and "lasting long enough." I personally feel it creates stress, and as a result, you end up worrying too much and it takes the pleasure out of sex if you're constantly worrying about "pleasing pleasing pleasing" and you can often end up doing the thing you're trying to avoid - ejaculating too early.

    The point is to take the pressure off. And as a result - you end up being more relaxed, more confident, and the enjoyment increases, and because of that she is going to derive more pleasure too. They say the brain is the biggest sex organ, and that is totally true, even for men.
     
  15. Matt

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    They say the brain is the biggest sex organ, and that is totally true, even for men.
    hmmm wheres my tape measure?
     
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    I've now cast this topic into the Hall of Shame.

    I think what you're saying is a bit premature. [​IMG]



    Sorry, I couldn't resist.
     
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    While reading this thread, I remembered Woody Allen's line about shouting &quot;Slide Willie! Slide!&quot; (or something like that.)
     
  18. dirk diggler

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    practice your breathing. switch positions often. stop every so often and kiss her passionately. suck her tits. do everything but thrust. you'lll be fine. and if you learn to eat her out well, trust me, she won't care when you cum.
     
  19. Matt

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    hmmm wheres my tape measure?
    confirmed. You have overestimated the size of my brain.
     
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    or just visualise yourself with someone uglier. Fok maybe?


    Oh, that's cold.

    Jon.
     

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