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Last button undone on working buttonholes...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Maximus Mark, Aug 25, 2006.

  1. grimslade

    grimslade Well-Known Member

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    QFT

    That was very well said. Different people just have different attitudes and different styles...here, I think it is far less of a correct vs. incorrect issue, as everyone understands what buttons and buttonholes are for in the first place.

    As for the affectation, well, that's just what someone who doesn't appreciate a given style calls it. Others would say that ascots, bowties, felt hats, chesterfields, waistcoats, pocket squares, brown shoes with a blue suit, flannel suiting, working sleeve buttonholes in the first place, etc., are affected. Some people even consider neckties at most social functions a matter of affectation.

    Although I don't wear them unbottoned without rolling them up, I think if you want to leave sleeve buttons undone, good on ya. [​IMG]



    Look, all that's well and good. De gustibus non est disputandum, etc. etc.


    This conversation started, remember, because one person here asked everyone else for their opinions. And--surprise--they all gave them. Some of them harshly.

    I guess my point is, if you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular clothing or dressing choice, don't ask! Or if you do ask, be prepared for some negative responses, since there are two sides to every issue. But to ask, then say, hey, it's my perogative, is a little rich. Of course it is. But when you invite people to comment on your perogatives, expect to get comments.

    I own two pairs of Sandro Moscoloni black leather slip-on ankle boots with rubber soles. I wear them when it rains. They're comfortable. I kind of like them, esp. because I paid $30 for them. When the soles wear through, I'll throw them out. But I don't post pictures of them on this message board, ask for people's opinions, and then get huffy when they don't like my choice of footwear (actually, I've never posted a picture of my own shoes here...). I just keep them to myself. Well, until now. [​IMG]
     
  2. Kai

    Kai Well-Known Member

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    Tacky.

    No.

    95% of people won't care, and the ones that do will think it looks retarded.

    Personal opinion.



    +1
     
  3. Tuerney1

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    Look, all that's well and good. De gustibus non est disputandum, etc. etc. This conversation started, remember, because one person here asked everyone else for their opinions. And--surprise--they all gave them. Some of them harshly. I guess my point is, if you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular clothing or dressing choice, don't ask!
    I'm not sure if you quoted the right person or not, because I don't recall expressing surprise over anyone's opinion nor suggesting that they not give them. I was just commenting upon some of those opinions... [​IMG] If you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular opinion, don't post it! [​IMG] Edit: I'm just joking around, in case that wasn't too clear. Ever since I gave up coffee.... [​IMG]
     
  4. grimslade

    grimslade Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if you quoted the right person or not, because I don't recall expressing surprise over anyone's opinion nor suggesting that they not give them. I was just commenting upon some of those opinions... [​IMG]

    If you don't want to know what others on this forum think about a particular opinion, don't post it! [​IMG]

    Edit: I'm just joking around, in case that wasn't too clear. Ever since I gave up coffee.... [​IMG]


    I think I meant to reply to the same person you replied to. And I've had three cups today...
     
  5. DandySF

    DandySF Well-Known Member

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    I recall having dinner at Le Cirque 2000, when they were in the Palace. A friend of mine looked across the dining room and mentioned that an otherwise well-dressed man had a button missing from the sleeve of his jacket. I chuckled and explained what that was really all about.
     
  6. Drinkwaters

    Drinkwaters Well-Known Member

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    I think I meant to reply to the same person you replied to. And I've had three cups today...

    That be me! I only qualified the original posters query. Just some sage advice from someone who's been there, done that. Have another cup and read my post again.

    Ye Old Hippie,

    Gary
     
  7. odoreater

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  8. grimslade

    grimslade Well-Known Member

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    I do it.

    Walk the line?
     
  9. josepidal

    josepidal Well-Known Member

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    In Italy, men can wear a sleeve button undone and look dashing.
    I just noticed I have an Italian classmate who does in fact leave his sleeve buttons undone. (Never saw him in a sport coat before.)
     
  10. martan

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    Those of you who leave one unbuttoned....honestly, don't you do it so others know you have a working buttonhole? Isn't that the truth? As for the other Agnelli affectations mentioned, aren't they silly when they are planned? It is one thing to have the back end of the tie longer because you are actually nonchalant in how you tie your tie. But, again, the actuality is usually the opposite, instead of being nonchalant, it is the product of planning. It is not much different than teenagers spending half an hour getting their hair to look authentically messy.

    Of course, we should all do what we like. I happen to like having the buttons buttoned.
     
  11. Leslierc

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    Not a problem for me. I don't see it as pretentious at all. I figure if someone has paid the extra $$$ for this feature, they're entitled to show it.
     
  12. mafoofan

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    I leave at least one button undone. I think it echoes the way you button up the jacket.
     
  13. Eustace Tilley

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    I may be in the minority but I don't care for this practice. I think its pretentious and vulgar.
     
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    I leave at least one button undone. I think it echoes the way you button up the jacket.

    Does that mean you don't button your single-button coats? [​IMG]
     
  15. mafoofan

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    Does that mean you don't button your single-button coats? [​IMG]

    Hmm. You raise an interesting point. Perhaps I should order my jackets made with only one sleeve button from now on . . .
     
  16. Edward Appleby

    Edward Appleby Well-Known Member

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    The thing is that even if you have fully working cuffs, you never undo them to take your jacket off. Therefore, there's not really any such thing as "leaving one undone"- what you're actually doing is unbuttoning one, which is an affectation.
     
  17. Douglas

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    Sometimes one, sometimes two, sometimes one on one side, two on the other, sometimes two on one side and one on another. So yes, all the fucking time, infact, I try and go through all the permutations I can!

    This raises an interesting mathematical question:

    If a StyleForum member wearing a sports jacket with four functioning button holes on each sleeve is traveling on a 11:14am southbound train from Rome and can try one combination of buttoned and unbuttoned button holes every 12 minutes, which of the following will NOT occur before he has achieved all possible combinations of buttoned and unbuttoned holes?

    - The train passes the Isaia factory in Naples.

    - Eric Glennie files a new collar patent.

    - A troll flames a StyleForum thread.

    - The Italian transit workers union goes on strike.
     
  18. mafoofan

    mafoofan Well-Known Member

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    . . . there's not really any such thing as "leaving one undone"- what you're actually doing is unbuttoning one, which is an affectation.

    As is wearing a pocket square. In my opinion, whether something is an affectation has much more to do with the attitude with which it's done.
     
  19. bachbeet

    bachbeet Well-Known Member

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    I have several coats with working buttonholes and leave one undone on all. And, I don't really care if anyone thinks it's an affectation. It's as much an affectation as any other style choice made by any other SFer. For example, an argument could be made that it's an affectation to insist on a fully canvassed suit or EG shoes or Lobbs or Vass or Borrelli shirts or ... well, I think you see my point. It's really a style choice. And, this is the Styleforum.
     
  20. Edward Appleby

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    There's a difference between wearing an accessory or choosing a certain type of construction and undoing buttons. Does anyone leave his shirtcuffs unbuttoned or pop open one of the placket buttons with a tie?

    What makes it an affectation, to my mind, is the fact that it doesn't change the visual effect of the outfit in any way, and that it doesn't follow from the normal process of getting dressed- it requires a special effort.

    Also, doesn't it strike anyone as curious that the only buttons anyone ever intentionally unbuttons, except for the collar, are the jacket sleeve buttons which until recently were found only on better makes?
     

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