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Is my coworker right?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Quadcammer, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. NORE

    NORE Well-Known Member

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    He should just buy a tux already unless he is planning to jump ship soon.
     
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  2. Quadcammer

    Quadcammer Well-Known Member

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    i agree, but he just joined the group of people who typically get invites.

    I told him to buy one, but he's hesitant.
     
  3. gambit50

    gambit50 Well-Known Member

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    It sounds to me like y'all are well paid. Working at flush finance firms tends to do that(though I admit I am not aware of specifically which firm or even sub category you belong).
    Also, he has a corporate credit card. Everyday people do not have those.
    Thus, he is a cheap bastard. Whether he is making half a buck or 3, the too great amount earned is enough and people should have their own moral line drawn at some point. But you are in the USA so why do that?
    And I am hardly against the industry, I just know my people. Also, I believe in personal financial responsibility so I respect individuals who do not just spend 110% of every dollar they earn
    whether it be 50k or 5000k.
    But in this case, one's own money should be applied.
    As pointed out above, should he have to pay for anything, gas, baby sitter, time outside the office, etc.?
    Should every employee not have their tux paid for?
    Infinite shamelessness. I am all for greed but some type of limits/moral code need to exist. The world is way too short on them and some countries and subcultures within them more than others.
     
  4. OinkBoink

    OinkBoink Well-Known Member

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    Tell him to look on the bright side. At least he's not a chick, so he won't have to buy a different tux for every engagement.
     
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  5. Patek

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    This. :nodding:
     
  6. HansderHund

    HansderHund Well-Known Member

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    I agree with the majority that he is responsible for his own tux.

    Having said that, and knowing that he's a bit cheap, maybe you could just explain the concept of buying to him. He's in finance, so explain it in a way that makes financial sense. He won't likely get reimbursed and it will cost him something in terms of reputation. $150 for a one time expense or he could invest $1000 in a basic setup so he'd only have to use it 6 or 7 times before it'd pay for itself. Tuxes are things that can be worn for years without having to be replaced due to style (as long as he keeps his weight in check!).
     
  7. Cantabrigian

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    2006 called. They want their AmEx back.
     
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  8. Holdfast

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    I'd say (in the very, very unlikely case) that he's contractually required to attend AND it's absolutely black tie (not "black tie optional"), then while he's certainly still just chancing his arm, I can certainly forgive the ask, as it's based on the off chance that someone will be soft enough to say yes. I'd also think that in this case, if he's not reimbursed and he's renting (rather than buying), he should have a chat with his accountant to see what his options are in your country, come tax season. I don't think that would be the case if he bought, however, as he'd be able to wear it on other occasions.

    If it's either optional to attend (i.e. just a networking/advancement-opportunity kind of thing) or the code is black tie optional, then obviously he's just being very cheeky. I'd still give him points for the effort/attempt, though. Brave lad, to actually ask!

    Entertaining thread, either way, though!
     
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  9. jeff13007

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    Well the important question is does he have a choice weather he can to go or not? If he is being forced to go then its a bit unreasonable for him to stomach the cost. I do agree with you that every man should own at least one Tuxedo but the fact is that majority of the people today even in those industries don't. I have several friends that work at client facing roles in the big banks here in NYC some wear suits everyday and get invited to these things regularly but even they don't own a tux and usually just wear a black suit with a black tie to those things.
     
  10. mingus2112

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    There are certain cases where I think submitting the receipt would be a good idea, but this doesn't seem to be one of them. He doesn't think twice about paying for his own suits (or does he?) and those are worn TO work. You just take for granted that, if you work at a certain type of company, you have to own suits. It's an investment in the culture of your workplace. If you are invited (and encouraged) to go to black tie events all the time, I would suggest buying a tux. When I bought my first tuxedo, I got the whole thing from Joseph A Bank for under $200. I've since acquired a nicer rig (since I purchased it preowned when I wasn't pressed for time with an event coming up), but that JAB tuxedo is perfectly serviceable. It sounds as if black tie affairs are part of the CULTURE of the group you're in. If that's the case, he should make the investment.

    If I understand the situation, asking the company pay to rent him clothing (repeat that line over in your head. . .RENT HIM CLOTHING) for this event would be just as petty as asking to be paid for his time in attendance. If he doesn't want to fork over the cash himself, I feel like he would look a lot better in a nice black suit rather than a rental tuxedo.

    -James
     
  11. msulinski

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    Whether or not he has a "choice" is debatable. It sounds like one of those things that he could back out of if he wanted, but it could potentially hurt his long-term career prospects if he did.
     
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    +1 for sucking it up and paying. just part of business.
     
  13. Superfluous

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    I'm guessing he's paid well enough, he should just pay for it. It's not that big of a deal. However, if he wants to try expensing it, let him try.
     
  14. CousinDonuts

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    This sounds to me a personal issue with your colleague, really nothing to do with you. If he wants to try to get reimbursed, that's his prerogative. Ditto if he wants to play by the unwritten rules or not. Look at it this way, this is a chance to leave your colleague in the dust. Let him dig his own grave if submitting the expense will pile on.
     
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  15. add911_11

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    Honestly I can't believe such thinking was from an adult. I hope the guy is not serious.
     
  16. Quadcammer

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    the man is certainly well compensated enough to purchase a very nice tuxedo, but is just innately cheap.


    I still respect the guy as a coworker (he is good at his job), but true, at some point, I'm gonna have to let him hose himself.
     
  17. jt10000

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    It depends on if the attendance was optional and how common such events are for this guy in the course of work.

    If such an event is not common, and the invitation is optional, then he should just decline to go.

    If it's not common and participation is required, then an argument could be made he should be reimbursed.

    If such as event is very common for work, and it's expected he should go, then a tuxedo would simply be considered normal work clothes he buy himself.

    Also, if he's deep well into six figures ($US)/year, just buy a tux.
     
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  18. chogall

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    time to submit an expense report for my 2013 apparel budget
     
  19. anginaprinzmetal

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    ... and this ^
     
  20. JLibourel

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    This sums up my take on the whole business to perfection. From what I gather of the specifics of the situation, he should just buy the damn tux, especially since, as many others in this thread have pointed out, they can be had quite cheaply from outfits like JAB...and he evidently has ample means.
     

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