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Is it just Americans

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by vanity, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. Violinist

    Violinist Well-Known Member

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    I've found that these problems of rudeness go away, the higher you move up on the economic ladder.

    Of course, then you have a whole new set of problems to deal with, but the little annoying things instantly go away. Once I am able I will probably move to Luxembourg or perhaps Monaco. America is a fantastic country and I look forward to living there, but unfortunately, it's all full of Americans. At the end of the day, small towns have much nice people, and perhaps Canadians are nicer on average, but I'll tell you that you encounter a lot of rudeness in a place like Montreal. I've found that the more socialist the place is, the ruder the employees are, because they somehow think that they're equal to the people they're serving (which in most cases is completely untrue save for their basic human rights). Here in a grocery store for example, employees won't think twice about mistreating a customer. They act in ways that stereotypical employees at places like Bergdorfs act to a bum who comes in off a street. To me that's unacceptable. It's very hard to find a place in Montreal save for high end stores which caters to a well to do clientel, that treats people like human beings.

    Just forget about it and if possible, try to live in a more upscale neighborhood. Rich people try to avoid confrontation so even if they want to Patrick Bateman you, they will refrain from it because their yoga instructor said so.
     
  2. Violinist

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    Have you ever tried standing on line in Europe? Well, you can't, because they don't exist. And in Asia I had little old ladies trying to push me out of the way while I was buying train tickets.

    I'd say that you are right in some cases, in cities with heavy tourist populations. I've encountered a lot of rudeness in Rome, and in the less desireable parts of Paris, which is why I try not to go anywhere like that. Also the myth that Southern Italians are nicer is not true. Maybe when you get to know them it's true, but whenever I've been in the South, the rudeness you encounter in the streets triples whatever you'll come across up north in Florence or Cremona. I've always found Vienna to be incredibly pleasant. Some people think the Viennese are cold, I just think it's a general respectful demeanor.

    I cannot speak for Asia, but I have heard what you're saying.
     
  3. DeSica

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    "some stories about the Michigan crowd that comes over to party."

    Yeah, it's those damn Yankees from down under that are screwing things up, not the peaceful Canadians that live here.

    "75% don't have passports..."

    Don't those stupid Yankees know how horrible it is in their horrible country? I mean, no passports, then you are like stuck there! Just ask the 12,000,000 Mexicans crossing the border on their way to Canada!

    Not because this nonsense is true, because they don't want to offend anyone here. Let me offend then.

    . When I inquired in one of the shops about this I was told they were ALL drug addicts. I said: "I thought Canada had healthcare for everyone? Can't they get the help they need?" No, they don't want to be helped, was the answer, because surely if they did they would get it.



    "Yes, but you want it back!" Imagine that! We actually expect to be paid back when we loan money to them? I have never heard of anything so barbaric!

    If somehow you could transport the entire population of Brasil to the US and then transport the entire population of the US to Brasil, what would happen? Let me tell you what would happen, Brasil would become the most prosperous, powerful country in the world and the US would become a Third World country! Why? AMERICANS! We would make it that way because that is who we are. It is not just a piece of land, it is a state of mind.


    So, as Jack Nicholson said: "Sell crazy somewhere else. We're all filled up here."


    Nobody's bashing. It is what it is. No country is perfect. Most Canadians are critical of our own government...we're allowed to be, since it's a free country.

    Mexicans are running to the states because it is the land of milk and honey, (plus it's closer). Like Albanians to Italy. It's all relative. Picking fruit for $2/a bushel is big money. Washing cars for $3/hr is huge cash. Opportunity. And you have no idea how many Central and South Americans are up here.

    Meanwhile, so many Americans were sneaking over our border to use (steal) our free healthcare for major operations, that we had to get photo ID on our health cards. They were using relative's OHIP (or whatever) cards to get treatent they could never afford back home. We do have free medical care....as do most G7 nations...in fact, America might be the only one who doesn't.

    Im sorry about your car. The statistics hold up. Canada does in fact have a higher rate of breaking into automotive vehicles.


    And don't worry about the money Brazil owes you...worry about the money you owe China. Worry about a 9 trillion dollar debt (translates to half a mil per household)....worry about the interest on that $9 trillion. Worry that Cuba, a third world country, has a higher literacy rate, and also free health care. And if you had Brazil, you'd do the same as in the US....gun violence, racism, pollution, no health care, and a whopping debt...not to mention invading Venezuela for oil. You're correct, it is a state of mind.

    As for selling crazy, tell it to the Americans who show up here in june with coats because they think it is always cold here, and they don't know what celsius is, because when the time came for the world to switch to metric, the American overnment backed out, saying it would be too difficult to implement and learn.

    I'm watching the Bookman espisode of Seinfeld right now. Given your comments, I find it quite apropos.
     
  4. DeSica

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    I've found that the more socialist the place is, the ruder the employees are, because they somehow think that they're equal to the people they're serving (which in most cases is completely untrue save for their basic human rights).

    Just forget about it and if possible, try to live in a more upscale neighborhood. Rich people try to avoid confrontation so even if they want to Patrick Bateman you, they will refrain from it because their yoga instructor said so.


    Tell me, do you beat your slaves, or do you have someone do it for you? [​IMG]

    Cuba is socialist, and I got great treatment in Havana, and the suburbs. Nice people.

    And everyone knows Montreal can be rough if you don't speak the language...even if you speak Parisian french, they hate you. ("You tink yoor bedder den me?")
     
  5. FLMountainMan

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    Vanity, I thought you just disliked black people? Or blacks, if you will. Is it all Americans? Life must be tough for a refined individual like yourself.
     
  6. vanity

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    Vanity, I thought you just disliked black people? Or blacks, if you will. Is it all Americans? Life must be tough for a refined individual like yourself.

    I dislike most people equally. But I just saw on the news that Anna Nicole Smith has died. It's only 3:15pm but I may start drinking to celebrate.
     
  7. Violinist

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    Tell me, do you beat your slaves, or do you have someone do it for you? [​IMG]

    Cuba is socialist, and I got great treatment in Havana, and the suburbs. Nice people.

    And everyone knows Montreal can be rough if you don't speak the language...even if you speak Parisian french, they hate you. ("You tink yoor bedder den me?")


    I think if servants are well paid they don't need to be beaten.

    In any case, this isn't a language issue since my roomate is a quebecer and he also, like everyone else, gets treated like shit. And actually at some places, I get a lot of points as an english person who speaks french, not to mention that all decent Quebecers really admire people who try to speak french. It is not like it is in France.
     
  8. briancl

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    A friend of mine had his cousins visit from Windsor, and they had some stories about the Michigan crowd that comes over to party. Drunken scraps galore.

    I'll agree with this; however it is disingenuous to claim this without discussing the drinking age in Windsor (19) and proximity (5 minute door-to-door, including customs from Detroit). I only ever go to Windsor for the occasional dinner, but I did happen to go for a Bachelor party last year, and I realized the only Americans in Windsor are 19 and 20. So take an entire city's population of 19 and 20 year olds that aren't allowed to drink legally, and give them an opportunity to drink easily and cheaply... and guess what happens?

    Windsor, ON happens. It's the dirtiest and most American Canadian city I've ever seen, but it's basically just one giant college bar.
     
  9. DeSica

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    But I just saw on the news that Anna Nicole Smith has died.
    [​IMG]


    Geez...this imitating Marilyn Monroe thing has gone too far.
     
  10. lawyerdad

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    Vanity, I thought you just disliked black people? Or blacks, if you will. Is it all Americans? Life must be tough for a refined individual like yourself.
    Well, blacks in burberry, anyway.
     
  11. lawyerdad

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    I think if servants are well paid they don't need to be beaten.

    In any case, this isn't a language issue since my roomate is a quebecer and he also, like everyone else, gets treated like shit. And actually at some places, I get a lot of points as an english person who speaks french, not to mention that all decent Quebecers really admire people who try to speak french. It is not like it is in France.

    I've almost always found people in France to be appreciative of and patient with my pathetic attempts to speak French.
     
  12. Margaret

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    I dislike most people equally. But I just saw on the news that Anna Nicole Smith has died. It's only 3:15pm but I may start drinking to celebrate.

    It's a little early to celebrate -- there are still about 6.6 billion people to go...
     
  13. Margaret

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    I've almost always found people in France to be appreciative of and patient with my pathetic attempts to speak French.

    +1
     
  14. Stazy

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    I love America. In fact, I'll come to the defense of the USA before a lot of Americans do.

    There was one girl here in Finland from the US last semester and she was so incredibly anti-American I could not believe it. It was very odd that me, a Canadian, was trying to convince an American that she really has an amazing country to call home.
     
  15. Margaret

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    Well, blacks in burberry, anyway.

    You can't say 'blacks' like that! It's racist! I prefer... well... 'Les Noirs' has a rather nice ring, I think. Yes. 'Les Noirs'. I'll thank you to remember that, sir.
    [​IMG]
     
  16. GreyFlannelMan

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    I've almost always found people in France to be appreciative of and patient with my pathetic attempts to speak French.

    As have I. Also in Montreal on a visit last year.

    I've had the opportunity to spend a fair amount of time in Asia and Europe. One will find unpleasant people anywhere.

    In some very poor Asian countries, some of the people have been the friendliest I've ever met (I'm talking about in terms of daily interactions such as dining, shopping, socializing, &c). But there have been rude ones too.

    As for my countrymen and women, I think there is a general decline in manners, which are seen as prissy and elitest by many. There is a general lack of interest in and ignorance of the world at large, which I find extremely frustrating and disconcerting. The belief of many that the American way is the best way, that there is nothing we can learn from other countries and cultures. Americans are right in general, and the individual is always right specifically. It's very self-centered.

    What is most frustrating to me is that the US, as a nation, has so much going for it in terms of wealth and opportunity, yet is so backward in so many ways.

    But at the end of the day, I love my country, if not a large number of my fellow citizens.
     
  17. Dakota rube

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    But no...everyone's free to be the biggest prick they want b/c they're never held responsible.
    No.



    Too easy.
     
  18. Dakota rube

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    I've found that these problems of rudeness go away, the higher you move up on the economic ladder.
    I can assure you that this is definitely not the case. The poor have no exclusive on rudeness.
     
  19. Violinist

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    I can assure you that this is definitely not the case. The poor have no exclusive on rudeness.

    O I totally agree, but I find that more affluent people to themselves much better. I've observed this in living/residential situations, shopping, dining, clubbing... they just tend to behave themselves a lot better than most. I suppose you're referring to "new money" or whatever, which stereotypically is very crass.
     
  20. lawyerdad

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    You can't say 'blacks' like that! It's racist! I prefer... well... 'Les Noirs' has a rather nice ring, I think. Yes. 'Les Noirs'. I'll thank you to remember that, sir.
    [​IMG]

    I didn't say it like that. I said it like this. Blacks. You can't hear the funny accent over the internet.
     

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