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Ideas for what to wear/do?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kalra2411, Aug 5, 2004.

  1. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    Well, tomorrow I need to meet with some of the international managers, now the problem is that it will be on site, at a steel mill. Therefore, I have advised participants at the meeting that a full suit is not required.

    However, as my ignorance would have it, I have failed to think what would be appropriate attire. You see the thing is, some may turn up in work wear, whereas others may turn up in a dress shirt and trousers, and others in jeans.

    It is now too late to advise a dress code, as the meeting is scheduled for tomorrow morning, in the west (of England) and I will be taking a flight from London City Airport to a small regional airport in the area. Moreover, as many international employees will be attending - it is now impossible to inform them, as the local time is 12.46 am.

    I personally will be wearing a black and white dress shirt, and black trousers. However, I am unsure what others will be wearing. Thus, I need suggestions as to what you think the employees will wear.

    In addition, do you think I should dress differently?

    I would not like to cause embarrassment to any employee, e.g. one who turns up in jeans, when everyone else is wearing semi-formal wears, as it would indeed be my fault, due to a lack of given information.

    Many thanks,
     
  2. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Well-Known Member

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    if you have a company mascot, you could surprise everyone and come dressed in the mascot costume.

    i guess maybe that's not too helpful.

    think of it this way: the leaders who try to be a 'man of the people' typically end up with that tactic backfiring on them. unless they have a known history of climbing from the bottom up, in which case they can play that card.

    so, if you're a prince, don't dress like a pauper. it's condescending. you don't want them to think you're slumming when you visit. just be who you are.

    but you knew that already...

    check out 'The 48 Laws of Power' by ...Robert Greene (i think). lots of good stuff in there, mostly not about clothes.

    /andrew - future owner of the world (or so it says in my contract)
     
  3. Mike C.

    Mike C. Well-Known Member

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    After working in Steel your whole life, I'm sure that you have been in this type of this situation before. What did you do last time? Surely this can't be the first time you meet with employees in your steel mill.
     
  4. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    Faustian, I think you misunderstood; I will wear what I have said - unless anyone is overtly against that here.


    Mike, note the problems in this specific scenario, I have only said that a suit is not needed, think how many things that could mean, some may even take it as, turn up in your pajamas, in the past, there have only ever been 2 formal meetings on site; and previously we had been dressed in suits, and this was impractical. As you may be able to perceive it is very rare that a meeting takes place outside of a board room, especially one involving myself, as I do not particularly need to attend many site meetings myself.
     
  5. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    What I am trying to say is that there may not be uniformity in the dress.

    I will not be dressed worse than the employees under any circumstances. As the quality and design of my attire will always be superior, be it casual or formal. For example, someone may turn up in a suit from H&M, and I may be wearing a Kiton dress shirt, with no suit or tie, now who is better dressed? (obviously fit and design being good are assumed here)
     
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    What exactly is the problem? If everyone is comfortable there should be no issue as you stated suits were not required. I find the fact that you even worry about such a thing as more than a bit ridiculous.

    Thanks for the best laugh all day.
     
  7. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but in my opinion I feel that semi-formal attire is still needed, e.g. a shirt and trousers.

    However, I feel that may not have been portrayed. (This is so to say; the problem)

    Comfort is certainly not an issue..

    Comfort is never an issue..

    I cannot understand what you mean by that?

    Perhaps you meant practical, as a suit is impratical on site.

    Why do I worry; because several out-of-house reps. will attend the meeting, thus a certain image must be portrayed.

    In addition, the embaressment of an employee as a result of my lack of given information, will, at worst lead to a reduced quaity of work ethic in my company, which is certainly not desired.
     
  8. FIHTies

    FIHTies Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] Faustian... This buds for you... I see your Blue pant post and raise you... Been a long day. JJF
     
  9. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    Good idea FIH, but I think maybe a Crown would be better.

    But really brains (and perhaps more so, an understanding of what is said) and maturity, is severly lacking here.
     
  10. johnnynorman3

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    I think the situation basically takes care of itself -- because it is a work site, all rules go straight out the window. Thus, if an employee has dressed "too far down" there is a ready made excuse (an unspoken one) on the part of both the employee himself and the third-party observer, viz. "he didn't want to get his good clothes dirty." So, I don't think anyone will be uncomfortable if they are over or underdressed.
     
  11. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    Thank You .

    A reply which made sense, and related to the original question.
     
  12. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Well-Known Member

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    I was a moot court champion in law school -- I was trained to answer the question posed. [​IMG]
     
  13. TomW

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    One just took for granted that you hired reasonably intelligent individuals who would dress appropriately for the workplace and the fact that you were so concerned showed that you were worried that you had made several hiring mistakes.

    I remain amused.
     
  14. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    I do not hire myself, that is of course the HRM Department's issue.

    I doubt that dressing aptly is a major factor in the hire process.
     
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    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    Good for your sense of humor then.....
     
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    If you don't ever hire, and you doubt that the ability to dress in a manner appropriate for the workplace is seriously evaluated - if only on a subconcious level - by those that do hire, I am amazed that the people in your employ manage to get up, get dressed and get to work on a daily basis. For someone so critical of the masses, and so willing to detail every Pound Sterling spent on his own wardrobe, noting the maker, shop purchased from, and how superior your own selections are, you certainly don't exhibit the confidence one would expect from one in your rarified circles.

    The amusement continues
     
  17. kalra2411

    kalra2411 Well-Known Member

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    Clearly, I ought to hire you then, as you are the pre-eminent employee.

    You obviously have no experience in employing people, or management of staff, if it were the case that all staff were competent in all aspects, where would the competition for job places be. Your point of view makes no sense. You imply that all workers are fully competent, and yet more so, they are able to read my mind, for some reason. I cannot understand how an employee could possibly know what they are expected to wear. Your point is nonsensical, if they knew everything; would not they be in my shoes?

    Let me reiterate the situation, as for some reason you have not take into account the given situation.

    1. We will be going to a steel mill, yes that is right, a mill, for the metal called steel, yes well done, you can see, steel, yes.

    2. I will be meeting the participants. Yes meet, it means that I will see them, yes with my eyes, and yes I will then tell then what they are doing in the day, note, I will tell them, they will not tell me. Note that if they were telling me things would not work, note that if they told me, they would decide what they wore. That is wrong. I tell them what to wear and they listen.

    3. We will go around the mill with a team of inspectors, and they will advise us of problems, and advice to take from this mill, to incorporate into our overseas mills.

    4. Thus there will be out-of-house people present, such as financers, and such the like.

    5. So the impression will need to be made.

    6. However, of due course, the impression of these people will certainly not be based upon what is worn, as Johnny pointed out.

    7. There will then be Lunch at a nearby establishment, for which I will change, and the numbers (of people) will be reduced.

    8. We shall conclude back in London at 8 PM, whereby there will be dinner afterwards.
     
  18. bryce330

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    Kalra2411 - are you still keeping up this ridiculous charade?  If you were really who you claim to be, you would have no doubt been to similar meetings hundreds, if not thousands of times and you would already have a pretty good idea of what to wear.  

    Nevertheless, I will play along:  you are one of the richest men in the world.  Your employees expect you to dress like one of the richest men in the world.  Nobody will be offended if you wear a $10,000 Kiton MTM suit.  However, people might well be put off if you show up in "work clothes" to try to demonstrate some kind of solidarity with your workers.

    Personally, I think it's a lot more likely that you'll be interviewing for a job at McDonald's tomorrow than meeting with "international managers," but there you go.
     
  19. TomW

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    You should, but you can't, as there is not a chance in this lifetime that I would accept employment from you.

    I do employ and manage a rather large staff. I manage a staff of 20 directly, who, in turn, manage just over 500 individuals. I have never implied, nor stated that all employees are equally competent, but I don't hire the incompetent (and should I make that error, I will either manage them up to expectation or manage them out of the company). I do set expectations for my staff and expect them to deliver on those expectations. Micro-management of people - as you clearly state you perform - is the least efficient of all management styles and highly unproductive. If your staff is not able to dress themselves, they are not able to perform the function for which they were employed.

    Your statements are unsupportable and irrational - as are most of your postings - and clearly not from a successful captain of industry. I know, I directly report to the Chairman of a Forture 100 company, and work with senior executives all day long. None would last a day with your perspective and smug arrogance.
     
  20. montecristo#4

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    Khakis, white or light blue shirt, open collar, navy blazer, brown Italian loafers and brown alligator belt. If you want to take it a step more casual, wear a polo underneath the jacket instead of the shirt. If you want to add some flair, add a colorful pocket square.

    Montecristo
     

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