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How to stop having a "good time".....

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by jeff in vancouver, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. jeff in vancouver

    jeff in vancouver Well-Known Member

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    Good (or more likely) bad my lifestyle includes having what I call a "good time" a bit too often. I have a job that includes socializing as part of my duties, and I find more and more I am eating very rich dinners and drinking too much. I know this sounds like not such a bad thing, but my waist line has been growing and getting home is becoming more and more of an issue.

    I know i should cut back, but life is good and my lifestyle sure helps work, so it has been hard to cut back.


    So how do you balance entertaining clients and still keeping yourself healthy?
     
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  2. Dakota rube

    Dakota rube Well-Known Member

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    I believe the word you are looking for is "discipline".
     
  3. munchausen

    munchausen Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what industry you are in, but i have a lot of business lunches and dinners and it's never seemed like that big a deal to order healthy food. A lot of other guys i meet with are doing it. Don't say "I'm on a diet" or make a big show of altering your meal to cut out all the carbs, but you can substitute your potato for vegetables without making a scene. Not to mention, you can leave food on your plate if you so desire. For drinks you can switch to straight liquor or liquor with water or soda, and you should really be nursing them anyway. Unless you are in Japan it's a bad idea to get shitfaced at a work social event. Let the other guy get drunk and sloppy while you maintain your composure.
     
  4. ImaPro

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    It depends on the clientele, a guy that use to work for us got 'fucked up' on the regular basis with clients.That was just the way it needed to be. However he was not fat by any means and for the most part ate healthy/exercises. So there you have it...
     
  5. munchausen

    munchausen Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure it works for some people. I think it's generally a fine line. You don't want to be a tight-ass who won't drink with someone, but you also want to keep your head in the game. Maybe it's because drinking tends to make me sleepy, but I always find that when I am in that context I am better off keeping it to one drink every 30-45 minutes and saving getting fucked up for hanging with my friends.
     
  6. Harold falcon

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    I meet a lot of people and get new clients on the bar tour pretty regularly. I go to the gym daily which helps a little, but I'm still carrying around some excess beer weight. Such is life.
     
  7. munchausen

    munchausen Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing the criminal practice benefits a great deal from being a well known barfly who is also an attorney. Maybe I should start hanging out at the race track to pick up bankruptcy clients.
     
  8. ImaPro

    ImaPro Well-Known Member

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    What about drinking something that isn't beer?
     
  9. b1os

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    Alcohol makes fat, too, bro.
     
  10. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Well-Known Member

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    If I drink hard liquor I get drunk much too quick. And I always have terrible hangovers the next day.
     
  11. cptjeff

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    Actually, it really doesn't. Your body can't do much at all with alcohol nutritionally, which is why it's processed through your liver. Only about 10% of the caloric value of the actual alcohol is processed nutritionally, so the effect on your gut is minimal. The stuff that makes you fat is the sugars and carbs- which you find in beer, less in wine, and virtually none of in liquor. Liqueurs have sugar added back in, but the volume is much lower than a glass of beer, so it's fairly insignificant.

    As for getting drunk, nurse it. Or get a long drink. A Rickey is going to have plenty of volume to sip, but have much less fattening crap in it.
     
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  13. b1os

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    Yeah. Now think outside the box. Five percent of the alcohol's calories are secreted, or whatever, to fat. The rest of the alcohol will be processed by your liver to (short google search) acetate, which is emitted to the blood stream and used as the primary energy source. What could this possbily mean? :puzzled:
     
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  14. mgm9128

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    Steatohepatitis is swell as long as you stay svelte.
     
  15. fwiffo

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    When going out, I try to keep to fish. Starters are usually something like grilled calamari, shrimp, scallops, seared tuna - probably bad for cholesterol but good for the calorie count. If people share starters, that's even better because I tend to just nibble. Always pass on the bread. Scotch on the rocks (just so the ice melts and you don't outpace yourself) and a bottle of wine for dinner. I usually skip dessert and go for scotch or brandy. The only trouble I run into are the people who order huge steaks or pastas and they will obviously out do me for the evening. I used to do vodka and diet soda but the caffeine keeps me up and I find diet sodas make you want to eat more.

    For those special "holiday dinners" or anything that involves a buffet line, I would literally eat a full meal a few hours before I go to the event (not lunch). That way, I just have a few drinks, a light salad and nibble on something so I can focus on socializing rather than stuffing myself.

    Otherwise, every week I try to take 48 hours (I promise myself 72 hours but it never happens) and do all the healthy stuff - keep meals light, salads, work out, let the liver get some rest etc. I eat out for lunch every day at work so that means time to hit a Japanese place for sashimi or a Chinese place for just the steamed dim sum if the 48 hours happens to fall on a work day. I tend not to drink alcohol at Asian places, mostly because their selection is horrible and I'm not a big sake person so it reduces temptation.

    From my peak, I've probably lost 30lbs since practising this. I used to do drink like a mule, go out for cocktail hour, eat and come home and eat dinner. And since I always ate out for lunch and had a huge breakfast; kept going for pastas, steaks, spanish coffees, fruity martinis, etc. I actually believed this radio advert that was saying all business men grow an inch in their waist every x years so you must come to our suit store and buy new suits. But I think I have it under control now. Expense accounts can be a terrible thing.
     
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  16. Harold falcon

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  17. cptjeff

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    It means that your liver releases a chemical into your bloodstream that your body starts to burn off to fuel your cells. It's a pretty lousy fuel, which is why your muscles don't seem as strong when you have alcohol in your system. They aren't getting the energy. Once that's burned off, your body goes back to processing other backlogged calories like normal.

    it doesn't mean the other calories go straight to fat. It means they're delayed a couple hours in going to whatever your body's other nutritional needs are, but they still go to those needs.

    Think of it like the natural gas torches that oil rigs used to have. In order for the good stuff to process, you have to be burning off the crap*.




    Beer gives you that too, since you're still consuming similar volumes of alcohol. It's just a matter of whether you're consuming the sugars and carbs with it or not. Nutritionally, think of beer as liquid bread, with alcohol.

    Incidentally, one reason high fructose corn syrup is bad is because it has to be broken down by the liver, since our digestive system doesn't have a great mechanism for dealing with it. Which is why you have people getting liver disease from drinking too much soda. Yes, the corn industry ads lie. It is bad for you.



    *Since natural gas is a hot things these days, I'm not sure if they still do this.
     
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  18. b1os

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    And while the alcohol-liver-acetate-energy gets burned, what's not getting burned? Exactly. Your fat/muscles that normally deliver energy. What does this tell you? Alcohol's calories won't be secreted directly to fat (just a small part) but it passively blocks your normal fat metabolism and thereby makes you fat. Right?

    b2t
     
  19. munchausen

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    Just curious, not being confrontational at all: what are your qualifications on this? I.e. are you a doctor, nutritionist, etc? I ask not because I don't believe you, but because I hear so much contradictory information that I don't know what to believe about it.
     
  20. mgm9128

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    The point should be made that there is nothing metabolically unique about HFCS that differs from regular table sugar, or sucrose.
     

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