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How did you "end up" in your career?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by banksmiranda, Jan 30, 2004.

  1. vero_group

    vero_group Well-Known Member

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    Wow. I'm dumbfounded that anyone in this day and age could defend communism -- even in it's purest form -- as a viable alternative for the governance of humans. In my book, it is simply the worst that humans can do to each other short of genocide. FREEDOM from government coercion to all, I say.
     
  2. Steve B.

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    We're just not evolved enough-yet- to practice communism. Everyone has been bred into this culture of fear, that there isn't enough for all- so I've got to get mine. Part of the myth that we're all separate when we're really one. (OOPS- I'm hijacking the thread, too, and attracting flames from libertarians and republicans- sort of trolling I guess. Perhaps I should ban myself [​IMG] )
     
  3. FCS

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    Uhm, try telling that to the UAW and the various textile and steel unions. Talking about stinky foreigners stealing American jobs.

    About Communism, even if the original ideas aren't flawed, there is an almost nil possibility you could have them implemented. All major forms of Communism (Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, and Maoism) advocate a one-party, if not a one-man government to direct the society from capitalism to communism. Lack of competition is always dangerous, but the absence of political competition is gravely fatal. Hence you see the Animal Farm scenario in ALL communist regimes.

    So is the pure free market, where all firms earn ZERO economic profit. Since we cannot test both hypothesis in their purest forms, what we can test, and ultimately judge, is the application of the ideas (ie. how policies are shaped and implemented based on such) and to what extent they better the welfare of the masses.

    Without saying, so far zero score to the communist front.

    Steve, my political / economic thought is probably what you could call a hardcore conservative, but by and large no way I could adhere to the Republican Party, at least under the current leadership. Of course there are some good people within the GOP (McCain seems to be one), but the current administration is a bunch of pork-barrel spenders. Also, being pro-market is NOT the same as being pro-business. And I'm still not ranting about foreign policies yet.

    I'm with you on this one. Allende would probably brought Chile into financial ruin but it'd be up to the Chilean people to decide.

    My CAD $0.0266
     
  4. vero_group

    vero_group Well-Known Member

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    "We're all one, as long as you are one of us."

    - Communist Party Leaders
     
  5. MikeF

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    What do you think communism in its "purest" (or rather, only) form is? Again, I advise you to read Marx. If you think communism means government coercion, you're reading from the wrong book.
     
  6. vero_group

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    I don't have time to read Marx -- too busy out there making money in our capitalist economy. Â [​IMG] No, actually I read all that stuff in college a long time ago. Yawn.
     
  7. Carlo

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    Let's leave the political debates aside and instead just praise or condemn the newsmakers on their fashion sense:

    I do like Dubya's Oxxfords, and Bill's looked fine too.

    I think Dean needs a bearskin caveman thingy to go with the primordial scream he closed that speech with. Maybe a good club too.

    Saddam really needs a good dye-job on the beard, sad to see any world leader going with the Grunge look. Maybe a reality show "Queer eye for the deposed dictator guy" would pull a 40 share on the networks. When they pulled him outta the hole he looked like a demented Tolkien character who got cut from the final version for fear of scaring the kiddies.

    Tony Blair - A+++ never seen him looking anything but perfectly attired (Take a long, deep bow Savile Row), in fact, I don't think I've seen him wrinkled.

    Arafat? Well that whole tablecloth from a cheesy Italian restaurant thing has been overdone. I'm thinking something in a nice Fuchsia would look better with his eyes. Maybe even purple - yeah that would ease tensions and promote a kinder, gentler middle east.

    Kofi - Anyone know who his tailor is - I always mute the TV when he's on but the man has nice threads.

    Chirac - I'm thinking something in a nice bright yellow.

    Osama - Really needs a good tailor and stylist. Maybe a better hat to de-emphasize the horns. The robes hide his tail pretty well. Perhaps a stylish leather bag to hide the dialysis machine?

    Punxatawney Phil - Y'know, a good cosmetic dentist could fix your smile and make you look years younger - then maybe you'd have better self-esteem and not predict 6 more weeks of this crap weather.

    Let's see... who have I forgotten to offend....

    Janet Reno - three words: "Lithgow in Garp"

    Monica Lewinsky - let's lose the beret... and toss the dress already, I'm pretty sure that stain ain't coming out at this point.

    Janet Jackson - silver nipple tassles are out this year, be more PC and use biodegradable ones.

    Kid Rock - Ok, yer a fashion disaster of epic proportions but yer married to Pam Anderson - you win.

    Michael Jackson - we should leave him alone, born a poor african american male he will die a rich white woman - quite a remarkable odyssey.

    Scott Peterson - Nice cleanup job overall for court, betting we'll see him in something more stylish next year... I'm thinkin orange jumpsuit.

    Andy Gilchrist - Needs a new T-shirt with "Register.com ransomed my domain and all I got was this stinkin Tee-shirt."

    Martha Stewart - OK, you have the nice little old lady look down but take a limo to court - flying in on the broom gives the wrong message to the jury pool.

    The ex-kickoff guy for Carolina - wear a disguise dude, KO out of bounds with a minute to go? Which bookie are you in deep with? Wear shades and a wig baby, take the bus - airports are being watched.

    Deion Sanders at the Superbowl - Dude, PLEASE lose those shirts.

    ME: A nice strong muzzle or one of those brain to keyboard filters would be a good investment.

    NOTE: Opinions stated or implied are the result of the posters inclination to inject sarcasm and humor into posts that have gone so far to left field that they are now in reach of an over-eager Cubs fan. Any reader taking me seriously should immediately put down the mouse and back slowly away from the keyboard.

    LIGHTEN UP FOLKS.

    Oh wait - this thread was careers, right??? Well if the whole fashion gig goes down the drain I'm thinking about writing Hallmark cards.
     
  8. matadorpoeta

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    that sounds more familiar.

    i think what steve meant is that what's truely good for one is good for everyone and that this notion of necessary competion that people have is innately flawed.

    what's that famous line from the bible where the guy asks God, "am i my brother's keeper?" one can make a good case for yes or no, but ultimitely it is in everyone's best interest to care for one another. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. now you can have a 'theoretical' argument over the relative merits of communism v.s. capitalism, but what i offer in the cuban scenario is not theory, it is real world evidence that in certain cases communism is a choice that a people can make to improve the quality of their lives.
     
  9. Carlo

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    So Banks... I'm guessing you've crossed out "Rule Cuba." from the want-ads - what else looks good to you? [​IMG]
     
  10. banksmiranda

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    Chuck, yes, I've decided not to take over Cuba. Â [​IMG] Quoted below is what I wrote on page 4 of this thread. Seems like it got lost among communism, unions, etc. I heard that Kofi Annan wears Brioni.
     
  11. Steve B.

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    "I don't have time to read Marx -- too busy out there making money in our capitalist economy." And what exactly does that get you, Logan? Banks: I did reply before LOGAN hijacked the thread (really- I had nothing to do with it [​IMG] ) I know it sounds silly- but follow your heart. I know so many people, including myself, who took 20 years to discover this. Better to start now while you're young before you  begin believing the myths propagated by the population-manipulating, Madison Avenue types about all the things you need to acquire. What good is a bunch of stuff if you have to spend 40+ hours a week doing something you're not sure about, or just can't stand? PS can someone tell me how you get those cool boxes around your quotes  [​IMG]
     
  12. Carlo

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    Banks - see if your University helps to fund internships - you can try Dallas and help me sort through the latest Thomas Mason, D&J And., Loro Piana and C. Barbera swatch books...

    ...of course given your love of fine fabrics your head just might explode. FWIW - the new DJA certified sea islands (120's) are nicer than the Egyptian 2x200's. Next week we'll see the new Piana and Barbera lines and I'm anxious enough that we're getting up at 5 that day to make the train from Milan to Biella - if you have a job where you WANT to get up at 5am so you can fit more work into the day you are on to something.

    If you reconsider launching a coup in a worker's paradise with great cigars lets talk barter - will trade ties for Montecristo #2's.
     
  13. LA Guy

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    Logan on Socialism

    Hmmm... sounds like someone has been taking Ayn Rand a little too much to heart. I'll submit to you that capitalism works because it requires very little from people, i.e. it appeals to the lowest common denominator. The failure of Communism is an indictment of the venality of human nature more than an affirmation of Capitalism, imo. Even if you don't agree with that statement, you'd have to recognize that there are many historical factors that must be considered in determining the underlying causes for the fall of the Soviet Bloc.

    Seriously, you should consider spending less time making money and more time reading and reflecting. If you read any Confucian thought, you'll find that mercantile activity does not rate very highly compared to say, scholarship. As for the success of the United States as affirmation of Individualism and Capitalism, remember that the U.S.A. is actually a very young country, and that it has to go quite a bit longer before it's as old as some Chinese dynasties.
     
  14. banksmiranda

    banksmiranda Well-Known Member

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    If that were possible I'd be in Dallas in no time.

    I didn't know D&J Anderson did anything lower than 170s.  So they do a "sea island" 120s which you prefer over the D&J Anderson 200s?
    I definitely agree, I would want to have a job I would really look forward to every day.

    Thanks Steve.  Good advice.  Seeing my little blurb above on job inclinations, what might you(any of you) make of it - what path to follow?

    All you need to do is put a bracket [HERE]YOUR TEXT[/HERE]
    but replace "HERE" with "QUOTE"
     
  15. vero_group

    vero_group Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I've never read anything by Ayn Rand.

    I don't watch TV much. Reading and reflecting is all I really do. In fact, reading and reflecting is what gives me an advantage in capitalism. Ideas and innovation are what make a difference in capitalism. Discovering new ways to add value in lives of people and organizations. Definitely, definitely, definitely: reading and reflecting are important. I wish more Americans would turn off the boob tube (literally now thanks to Janet Jackson) and read, read, read. It would improve their lives immensely.

    Less than 300 years old in fact. It's an amazing track record. Now that China is opening a little, perhaps China's best is yet to come. The Cantonese in particular are very good businesspeople.
     
  16. vero_group

    vero_group Well-Known Member

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    Happiness.
     
  17. FCS

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    When's the last time you see millions of people marching on behalf of capitalism? It is a tougher idea to sell, often more so to the people in the countries who need it the most, ie. the world's poors. Which proposal is easier to sell to people who spend their waking lives in poverty, and also to a bunch of bums and free-riders (which constitute a large portion of humanity)? One that promises to (literally) robbing the rich to pay for them? Or one that held you most accountable to your own actions?

    True, but there are also tons of - anecdotal if you wish - evidences of how communism failed. If it didn't work in China, a culture that prides in self reliance and hard work, how could you realistically expect it could work anywhere else? Mass starvation, that's your Great Leap Forward?
     
  18. ken

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    That's not right. Isn't the "current" Chinese government less than 100 years old, actually starting AFTER WWI? And their conversion to national socialism happened AFTER WWII. Sure, Europeans have only been in America a short while compared to the Chinese in China, but that has little to do with government. The U.S.A is actually pretty old, having surpassed the average life span of countries (which is, I believe, around 200 years).
     
  19. Carlo

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    Banks - Sorry to hijack the thread back to clothing :)

    Yes, DJA has WISICA certified 120/2 Sea island cottons as well as ome linen (including 170's.) in the collection. I'd like to hear from Alex on these but according to the insert the Sea island are the longest fibres in the world - up to 52mm with superior breakage resistance. They seem like they'd be extremely durable fabrics - very dense. Need to make a shirt out of'm and see :)

    As to the whole Capitalist/communist $$ good/$$ Evil debates?

    Obviously Cuba is the true worker's paradise as stated, that's why so many Floridian's board their leaky boats and risk their lives to leave this evil land and go there in search of freedom ...whoops, maybe that'd be a career option Banks? You could smuggle Americans into Cuba so that they can enjoy freedom?


    Here I put up a whole page of funny fashion related quips to amuse you guys and distract you from politics and whaddaya do? keep fighting - not one damned laugh. At least 3-4 of those were funny. Now I'm offended too :)
     
  20. LA Guy

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    I was talking about Confucian China. Chinese society has existed in more or less its present form for thousands of years with the same societal values and largely the same form of government throughout.
     

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