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HOF: Labels, heels and nail patterns - Secrets to ID the maker

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, Nov 10, 2006.

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  1. capnwes

    capnwes Well-Known Member

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    Second pair definitely C&J.

    The first pair...maybe not.
     
  2. CTBrummie

    CTBrummie Well-Known Member

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    First pair is Edward Green; it's similar to their own 'Dundee' model veldtschoen shoe but with brogue detailing, also made on the 58 last.

    For what it's worth, I've only seen C&J and EG shoes made for Holland & Holland although I've heard that Cheaney might have made for them as well. The original EG 'Galway' boot was first made by them for Holland & Holland as a field/shooting boot and I've a pair, on the 64 F last as opposed to EG's standard 64 E last.
     
  3. k4lnamja

    k4lnamja Well-Known Member

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    I've a pair of Brooks Brothers mini lug boat shoes. Yes, boat shoes. The stamp shows the following

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    Does anyone know who the maker could be?

    Says 'Made in the Dominican Republic'

    Thank you
     
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  4. k4lnamja

    k4lnamja Well-Known Member

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    Hey

    I've one more please.

    I've a pair of Alfred Sargent shoes and I'm trying to figure out the maker b/c I read they sometimes have other brands make their shoes. is that false?

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  5. CTBrummie

    CTBrummie Well-Known Member

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    I have never heard of other makers producing shoes on behalf of Alfred Sargent...
     
  6. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Well-Known Member

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    It used to be the case (maybe it still happens) that Northampton manufacturers who had too much work, would farm-out certain steps to one of their fellow-firms who stilll had production capacity. "Can we send you 600 pairs for sole stitching?". In this case firm A would supply the material and the specifications, while firm B just carried out the work.

    Also, sometimes a firm might not have the right machinery for a certain job, but it doesn't make economic sense to invest in those machines. I believe, for all the EG shoes in Veltschoen construction (probably not more than a few hundred per year) the actual Veltschoen production step is carried out by C&J. That does not mean C&J makes those shoes.
     
  7. Hoofit

    Hoofit Well-Known Member

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    ^^^^ 2nd pair is definitely Crockett &n Jones.

    Does anyone recognize this tag??? Orphaned pair of POW flat front pants. Definitely from a suit. Made in USA.
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  8. capnwes

    capnwes Well-Known Member

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    Haspel
     
  9. k4lnamja

    k4lnamja Well-Known Member

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    Apologies. I was confusing church's and cheaney. Thank you for the help!
     
  10. Brianpore

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    Bought these under the impression (was told) they were Crockett & Jones. 6.5 would normally be a 7.5 or there abouts.

    Pretty sure they are actually Alford Sargent?

    The 6.5D would be EU sizing, right??? They fit like a very small 7 maybe...

    Any help would be great

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  11. edwardthefirst

    edwardthefirst Well-Known Member

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    Hey, I actually sold you these shoes!! I posted them on this exact thread, and was told they were C&J.
     
  12. Brianpore

    Brianpore Well-Known Member

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    No biggie, I'm just trying to confirm as I need to sell them (too small by 1/2 to 1 full size). I didn't even have shoe trees small enough to fit in them.

    Going by the 1st page I see (and they look spot on for AS to me) [​IMG]

    C&J
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    (current benchgrade heel pattern on Radstock model)

    AS
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    (current heel on Westminster)
     
  13. edwardthefirst

    edwardthefirst Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, sorry about the size mixup. Good luck on reselling. . If only they were my size. *sigh*
     
  14. California Dreamer

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    Looking to id a cashmere SC I found thrifting. No maker's name anywhere, but here are the labels. Thanks for your help. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  15. AndroFan

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    EDIT: Nevermind, I did some additional sleuthing and found the answer myself, which I'm going to share for educational purposes, since it's really fascinating stuff. I'm definitely still looking for an answer as to what scene is being depicted on the medallions, so I'd love input on that one if anyone has any.

    The images are:
    1) "958" = 95.8% silver, which is called "Brittania" silver; higher purity than sterling.
    2) cat/lion's face = made in London after 1820 and/or before 1975 (the 1975 part is harder to verify...sources seem to conflict)
    3) archer image = identifies as Brittania silver


    http://www.ifranks.com/how-to-read-hallmarks

    http://www.theassayoffice.co.uk/commemorative_marks.html

    Really really cool stuff. /EDIT


    Ok, so this is a real shot in the dark, but any jewelry/precious metal experts want to chime in on this one? This is the front and back of some amazing and HEAVY as all hell medallion buttons found on a fully bespoke Huntsman sportcoat.

    A) Can anyone tell me what the symbols on the back mean? My best guess is the "958" is possibly a 95.8% rare metal purity amount (although a fairly odd percentage)...I'm thinking maybe sterling silver. Here are each of the pictures/symbols as far as I can tell:


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    "AV" An image an archer "958" A lion/cat's face "a" a cross with the numbers: 0 9
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    B) Does anyone have any idea what the scene depicts or what the words say? My 1st year PhD Latin roommate thinks it might be Latin, and he said it might be depicting some sort of a Christian coronation scene. Anyone have more info than that from that little context?


    This is definitely one of the weirder ID'ing attempts, so any information or even suggestions of where else I might try is appreciated. This jacket (and 5 other Poole/Huntsman pieces) were owned by a former US Senator.


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  16. California Dreamer

    California Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    That's a gorgeous button Androfan. Looking at the inscription, I think you're right that it is in Latin. I think I can make out the first word as "Sigilla" and the second might be "corona" - so perhaps it starts with something like "Sign of the crown".

    I checked the British orders of chivalry, and none of their mottoes are close to that. I did notice one thing though. The central figure in the design looks like a lady standing in a shield emblazoned with three lions; that's almost certainly Britannica. But the figure on the left holds a shield emblazoned with fleur-de-lys: France. I can't make out the shield on the right. This leads me to believe that it's the emblem of some organisation that spanned England, France and one other country. Given England vs France during the Middle Ages, i suspect such an organisation would be more recent in origin.

    Quality looks very fine and would probably be very legible to an expert equipped with a loupe. I'd love to know what you find out.
     
  17. tonylumpkin

    tonylumpkin Well-Known Member

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    This looks like it could be the emblem of a Marianist organization, representing the crowning of Mary as "Queen of Heaven". Marianist are Roman catholics with a special devotion to the Blessed Virgin. The identity of the senator that owned the jacket might be helpful. I can think of at least one who might qualify as a Marianist.
     
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    This is great stuff guys, thanks a lot! I don't have the jacket in my physical proximity at the moment, but when I do I'm going to try to get a better shot of the words and of the button scene overall. Really fascinating.
     
  19. Hoofit

    Hoofit Well-Known Member

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    Trousers by Faconnable Made in Portugal. This is Zegna right?
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  20. VLSI

    VLSI Well-Known Member

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    Is this real? I don't believe I've ever seen this label before. Stitching, especially in top right, is fishy to me too.
     
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