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HOF: Labels, heels and nail patterns - Secrets to ID the maker

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, Nov 10, 2006.

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  1. onix

    onix Well-Known Member

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    ^ Not always. Those are C&J. Though I have never seen Polo at the bottom while scripted text inside the soles.
     
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    That threw me too. The only EGs I've seen had the little window in the lining, but these didnt look like any C&Js I'd seen either.

    Thanks, I had a feeling you would know.
     
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    The writing on the interior lining is standard for C&J for Polo RL and BB Peal & Co. So that's why I am quite certain that those are C&J. The scripted text, however, is not helpful. When RL first started their purple label line, they used that scripted text for RLPL exclusively. But now it is on all sorts of things.
     
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    I'd like to know this as well; Lanvin shoes seem very well constructed.
     
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    Need some help identifying the maker of these vintage Polo boots, please:

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    Thanks!
     
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    Oh so you won those? I was tempted but couldn't pull the trigger. Hope you enjoy regardless of the maker!
     
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    Yes. Just bought these off eBay. It's difficult to find English shoes in a narrow width, so these were too tempting to resist.

    I don't think I've seen the Polo player on the sole for a long, long time, so I'm guessing these are fairly old (for Polo).
     
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    I posted a pair of Polos with the player on the sole about a year and a half ago. I think the concensus was that they were early 90s at the newest.
     
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    Thanks for the input. Did anyone know the maker?
     
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    Don't know for 100% sure, but if I have to venture a guess I would say Cheaney, with about 60% certainty. Here is my reasoning. There are 2 shoemakers that have 3 nails aligned near the rubber heels: C&J and Cheaney's (eg. 90's Brooks English). However, C&J uses nails of similar sizes, while Cheaney's uses 3 significantly bigger nails, which seems to be in this case. Furthermore, C&J always uses dovetail rubber heels instead of a flat one like this, while Cheaney's have been using flat rubber heels on most of their shoes.

    That said, there are several things that baffle me. I have never seen that sizing stamp, especially on the tongue (Sanders and Trickers do this once in a while but not very often, for example Trickers for BBBF). And the embossed arch at the bottom waist is seen mainly from Grenson Masterpiece/Paul Stuart's Choice, and EG.

    So in conclusion: you are gonna have a pretty hard time figure out who the maker is with 100% certainty.

    Question: what does the stamp inside the footbed near the ball say?
     
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    If they're Cheaney, they'll have "Made in leather insoles England" stamped on the insole.
     
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    Quick assist fellas - are these Churchs?

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    Tough to say with certainty from just those pics, but I'm going to say yes. Church's sized some BB shoes with EU sizes and had a (now pretty much retired) 73 last. So the 42 D would work for sze and the E073 would work for the last. Good chance they are.
     
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    Thanks man!
     
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    Here's a photo of what's written on the insole (other than what is pictured above). As you suggested, it's just back from the ball of the foot.

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    There's nothing written other than what's in the photos.
     
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    Yes, Church's.
     
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    Yeah, I was sort of hoping that it says something like what tonylumpkin said too. I can't really say anything more with this.
     
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    Anyone recognize this script or toe pattern?


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    Main font looks a little like Alden
     
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    Thanks for all of the information and well-informed speculation.
     
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