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Gun Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by tiecollector, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. Crane's

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    This gun is beautiful. I want it.

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    Why would I go for a materially wider and heavier gun for pocket carry?
     
  5. Hayward

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    Well, for one thing, it's prettier.

    For another, I bet it snags less.

    Plus you can shoot +Ps in it, which is better than any .380.
     
  6. Piobaire

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    1) Pretty is for shoes and women. Carry guns are for utility.
    2) Pocket holster will cure this. If I really need to draw I also don't care if I snag my pocket.
    3) These guns are for face to face confrontations. I'll take my chances with the seven .380 bullets this will hold.

    You've not made, at least to me, a compelling case as to why I would want a heavier and wider gun for pocket carry.
     
  7. Fang66

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    With shoes as with women form should follow function.
     
  8. Crane's

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    I carry a 380 and don't feel the least bit under gunned. 7 rounds of BB hardcast +Ps are pretty potent. 31+ inches of ballistic gel penetration for a 380 is just awesome. In my snub 38 I carry BB 158gr hardcast +P Outdoorsman loads. No worries about penetration with those either.
     
  9. Hayward

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    I'd still take the wheelgun. If I were restricted to .380 I'd take a Browning 1910, that should be svelte enough for anyone.

    It all still begs the question of how small does one really need to go. Are you going to the pool strapped? And if your carry piece is so small as to be comfortable enough for you to forget it's there, will you remember you have it when you need it?
     
  10. Piobaire

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    That's not question begging...

    However, the answer for me on "how small" is so it will not print in dress slacks. As to forgetting it's there...yeah, it's so easy to forget you're armed. The straws, they have been grasped.
     
  11. Hayward

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    Please. We live in an era where folks shoot themselves in the john at the bingo hall when their Jennings falls from the waistband.

    If I ever need to carry again I'd feel better with something substantial enough to require a proper belt and holster.
     
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    So why then are you in a conversation about pocket carry? I also luckily do not play bingo let alone go to them armed...so there goes that straw too.
     
  13. Hayward

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    I forget, are we supposed to be keeping score here? I was merely stating my preference. No need to take it personally.

    I prefer the old Bodyguard. It's a classic piece and has more throw weight in the bargain. I think it's kinda precious for S&W to name one of their new plastimatics after it. I'm also not a big fan of pocket carry, just like I'm not a big fan of off body carry. If you have to do those things, fine. But they are not optimal carry methods, and if you aren't carrying because you HAVE to, why cut corners?
     
  14. Piobaire

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    Keeping score? All I did was ask if anyone has experience with a particular gun in question. Your choice of a reply was to inform me this was not the "real one" and toss up a gun with clearly inferior properties for the purpose of the gun I asked for information on. From there you decided, when I reasonably pointed out why your example would be inferior to the purpose I specifically want, that you do not believe in that type of gun. Now your rant has ramped up to argue with the fucking name of the gun and lecture me on optimal carry methods. :laugh:

    And I'm taking this personally? Puh-leeze.

    Here's an idea: just tell me you've never shot the gun and have nothing useful to add.
     
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  15. Hayward

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    I've shot plenty of J frames, more than a few .380s, and a few (full size) plastimatics.

    In general my beef with the .380 is that more often than not pistols chambered for it are simple blowback, but the cartridge is just powerful enough to give you the worst of both worlds: sharp recoil, and not enough velocity to expand a JHP. Which is why Crane mentioned the hot wadcutter load.

    Now maybe this new bodyguard has a locked breech. Some folks are being clever with pocket autos that way, thinking that with the locked breech, they can make .380s and ,32s even smaller. I don't know if this one has a locked breech, as I've never shot one. Try not to let your head explode now.

    But in anycase it would still be a small pistol with I suspect a sharp recoil; sharper than a properly designed full caliber pistol. Have you ever fired more than 50 rounds at a time through a PPK? I have. It feels like you've been punching the heel of your palm all day.

    It just seems to me there are better choices out there, of both pistol and how/when to carry it.
     
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    Also, not to dig in further, but a laser is probably not a great idea for a carry gun.
     
  17. gaseousclay

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    Didn't realize there were a lot of gun enthusiasts on SF.

    I currently own a Browning A-Bolt .270 win and a Winchester 9422. My next gun purchase will be a Mossberg 500 Persuader 12ga for HD. I would also like to get a handgun at some point, probably a 1911 .45 ACP


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  18. Piobaire

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    Reviews have noted the low recoil of this gun.

    I do not plan to shoot 50 rounds at a time from this gun.

    It is a straw man to keep on about carry methods. The method in question is pocket carry. If a need should arise pocket carry is 100% preferable to having no gun if one is of the opinion having a gun is preferable.

    If you can tell me these better choices for pocket carry, using objective metrics like price, weight, width, and performance I am all ears. Let us eliminate choices that have not been manufactured for 30 years as I believe is the case for the Browning you specifically mentioned. Otherwise I will consider our conversation regarding my question of experience in shooting a specific gun closed.
     
  19. Hayward

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    http://pinfireguns.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=1
     
  20. Piobaire

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    Glad you're not taking this personally.

    :laugh:
     

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