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Grenadine Ties Uncovered

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Matt S, Dec 16, 2010.

  1. Matt S

    Matt S Well-Known Member

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    I just posted this on AAAC and though the people at Style Forum would be interested as well. Have you wondered what the weave of a grenadine tie looks like up close? I thought it would be cool to examine different weaves through a microscope to see my favourite cloths up close. Grenadine weaves are for more complex than anything else we might wear. As many of you know there are two types of grenadine ties, the garza grossa and garza fine as I learned from David Hober. Hober uses the garza grossa for his grenadine ties. I couldn't take pictures of the weaves but I've translated them into two illustrations. The complexity of the weave may explain why grenadine ties are so expensive. Garza Grossa [​IMG] The example above is from Sam Hober. The weave is illustrated below: [​IMG] Other brands that sell this tie include, but are not limited to, Brioni, Charles Tyrwhitt, Domenico Spano, Drakes, Harvie & Hudson, Jay Kos, Kent Wang, Lawrence of Warwick, Marinella, Mountain & Sackett, New & Lingwood, and Turnbull & Asser. Brooks Brothers, T. M. Lewin, Sulka, Ben Silver, Paul Stuart, and Robert Talbott all used to sell garza grossa grenadine ties, and the last three currently sell a type of mock grenadine instead. Garza Fina [​IMG] The example above is from Paul Stuart (no longer offered). The weave is illustrated below: [​IMG] Brands that sell this tie include Brioni, J. Press, Maus & Hoffman, Oxxford, Udeshi, Valentino, and Winston Tailors. Charles Tyrwhitt, Drakes, Polo Ralph Lauren and Ralph Lauren Black Label used to but no longer offer this garza fina. After seeing these complex weaves up close there should be no mistaking them for knit ties.
     
  2. Parker

    Parker Well-Known Member

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    I really like the finer weaver grenadine. I don't think I've ever seen that.
     
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    Are you an engineer?
    What software did you use to make those drawings?
     
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    Wait, you smell that?
    I really like the finer weaver grenadine. I don't think I've ever seen that.

    +1. I do like this. I wonder if Sam Hober can source.
     
  6. changy

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    informative thread. Thanks!

    I was at the Bloomingdales on Lexington earlier and asked the Turnbull and Asser associate if they had any striped grenandine. The guy pointed me to some knit ties. [​IMG]
     
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    Great post! Very informative.

    Thank you for the extra effort.
     
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    I just ordered that first tie. Waiting on the box.
     
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    Terrific thread - keen to see how this develops.[​IMG] [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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    Really great post! Thank you.
     
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    I really like the finer weaver grenadine. I don't think I've ever seen that.

    Are you sure?

    [​IMG]
     
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    XKxRome0ox Well-Known Member

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    which pattern is this one? [​IMG] i'm getting cross eyed trying to figure it out... it's like those magic eye paintings O_O
     
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    deveandepot1 Well-Known Member

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    Great post! Very informative.

    Thank you for the extra effort.


    +1 Thanks
     
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    This is pretty cool. I just picked up a Garza Fine from Brioni in a gorgeous olive green. Cant wait to namecheck the Garza. Whats up!
     
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    I really like the finer weaver grenadine. I don't think I've ever seen that.
    I prefer the larger weave, as its texture is more clearly seen. I used to sell the finer one, but now I only sell the garza grossa. An interesting factoid: the Italians call grenadine English gauze. This was discussed a bit in the grenadine etymology thread.
     
  16. Matt S

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    Are you an engineer?
    What software did you use to make those drawings?


    I'm actually a graphic designer (currently looking for a job in New York). I made the drawing with Adobe Illustrator.

    which pattern is this one?
    [​IMG]
    i'm getting cross eyed trying to figure it out...
    it's like those magic eye paintings O_O


    It looks different than mine. Who made it? I'll have to get one.
     
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    I'm actually a graphic designer (currently looking for a job in New York). I made the drawing with Adobe Illustrator.

    That's a complicated layering job. Tutorial?
     
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    I'm actually a graphic designer (currently looking for a job in New York). I made the drawing with Adobe Illustrator.



    It looks different than mine. Who made it? I'll have to get one.


    that one is made by Theory
     
  19. Matt S

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    That's a complicated layering job. Tutorial?

    For something that complex it just takes a lot of trial and error. Basically, first I had to sketch out the pattern on paper. In Illustrator I make the weft and warp separately. I cut and paste separate sections of the yarns to place them on top or underneath other yarns. Layers aren't effective since each yarn weaves in and out. I made all yarns as a 12 pt stroke, and then I outlined the stroke. Stroke outlines were cut off at the ends so the yarns appear continuous on the repeats of the pattern, and it also involves that the yarns extend further than the pattern repeat so they overlap a little. The pattern (see below) is then tiled. If you want to do this yourself, I'm better at answering more specific questions.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. XKxRome0ox

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    i'm getting dizzyyyyyyyy ... magic eye effect for sure
     

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