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Greatest ROCK Band and Rock Stars?

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Soph, Aug 7, 2006.

  1. Soph

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    GNR? Are you serious? I mean, they're awesome, but also derivative and vapid as fuck.
     
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    GNR? Are you serious? I mean, they're awesome, but also derivative and vapid as fuck.

    ok, i agree that they're not the greatest rock band of all time but at the time that Appetite came out, what were they derivative of? considering their peers, they were far and away one of the best if not the best of the heavy metal/hard rock bands (Metallica would have been up there too). they wrote great songs with damn good lyrics.

    oh. my vote goes to Iggy and The Stooges.

    -Jeff
     
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    The Clash or the Dead Kennedys. And as much as they embodied the excesses of the era, I might have to nominate Queen as well.
     
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    what were they derivative of?
    Aerosmith? Tom Petty?
     
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    Stevie Ray Vaughn -hands down the most mesmerizing display of guitar work I've ever seen. I had the chance to see him live in a concert hall before his death.
     
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    GNR? Are you serious? I mean, they're awesome, but also derivative and vapid as fuck.

    Wow, vapid. What do you consider good music? There's very little that couldn't be considered "derivative" either. Some people don't realize what social impact groups or artists can have, and thus are absolutely horrible at being credible critics of music.
     
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    Aerosmith? Tom Petty?

    ya, and Aerosmith is derivative of the stones, chuck berry...

    what a joke.
     
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    Wow, vapid. What do you consider good music? There's very little that couldn't be considered "derivative" either. Some people don't realize what social impact groups or artists can have, and thus are absolutely horrible at being credible critics of music.
    There's a difference between importance, which encompasses social impact, and quality, which (in my usage at least) doesn't.

    GNR didn't even try to incorporate any sort of depth into their lyrics, nor did they do anything innovative musically.

    Anyway, my vote would go to Led Zeppelin. They embodied the combination of bombast, energy, and depth that rock is all about to me. Sure, maybe songs like The Battle of Evermore come off like faux-intellectual folk bullshit to some people, but they[i/i] had their hearts in their songs, which is what matters.

    Who's your nominee Violinist?
     
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    ya, and Aerosmith is derivative of the stones, chuck berry...

    what a joke.

    In this case what I mean by derivative is totally derivative, without adding anything of their own.
     
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    There's a difference between importance, which encompasses social impact, and quality, which (in my usage at least) doesn't.

    GNR didn't even try to incorporate any sort of depth into their lyrics, nor did they do anything innovative musically.

    Anyway, my vote would go to Led Zeppelin. They embodied the combination of bombast, energy, and depth that rock is all about to me. Sure, maybe songs like The Battle of Evermore come off like faux-intellectual folk bullshit to some people, but they[i/i] had their hearts in their songs, which is what matters.

    Who's your nominee Violinist?


    wow, you've obviously never listened to what Axl wrote in UYI 1 and 2... read the lyrics to Coma, Estranged, Civil War... they weren't a bunch of idiots. Musically speaking, rock and roll was very stagnant early on. From a harmonic perspective, VERY FEW white musicians in the last 50 years have been original. The reason they were great was their type of sound, their attitude... Slash brought back a type of guitar playing which is sorely lacking in music.. soulful blues stylings at a breakneck pace. Ya, nothing completely ground breaking, but neither were composers like Mendelssohn, who is today highly reveared by audiences and performers alike.

    I'll see your Zepp and raise you The Who. I respect Zep a lot... Bonzo, Page, JPJ... a finer group of musicians simply doesn't exist, only maybe if you compare it to The Who. The Ox is without a doubt the greatest bassist ever, Moon was just a totally incredible drummer, and Townshend played a large part in the developing of synthesizers. In my opinion, if you want to talk about "high brow" rock, The Who is right up there with post Rubber Soul Beatles, and Floyd, not to mention their earlier stuff like My Generation and Baba O'Reilly. In my opinion, Daultry is the greatest rock singer along with Freddie Mercury. But if you look at music and nothing else, The Who are very hard to beat, besides maybe by a few groups.
     
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    I think Appetite for Destruction exceeds anything the Stones/Aerosmith have done as a whole as far as Rock goes.

    Stones/Aerosmith etc. are great, but listen to the entire AFD album sometime, and it makes you want to be a freak'in RockStar! Its timeless. The album bleeds energy, rebellion and is simply hell on wheels.[​IMG]

    Aersosmith/Stones is actually more commerical to me where GnR did some stuff that was just ridiculously anti commercial. That is what made them so great.
     
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    I think Appetite for Destruction exceeds anything the Stones/Aerosmith have done as a whole as far as Rock goes.

    Stones/Aerosmith etc. are great, but listen to the entire AFD album sometime, and it makes you want to be a freak'in RockStar! Its timeless. The album bleeds energy, rebellion and is simply hell on wheels.[​IMG]

    Aersosmith/Stones is actually more commerical to me where GnR did some stuff that was just ridiculously anti commercial. That is what made them so great.


    Aerosmith is probably the most derivative band in the history of rock. Mick Jagger never had a good voice, but his shaping of musical lines, his diction, and a truly electrifying stage presence more than made up for what his voice lacked in power and range (and since rock is amplified, neither power nor range really matter anyway). Tyler, at his best, manages a hackneyed impression of Jagger's (already rather) mannered style and reminds me of an average Joe six drinks deep at a karaoke bar rather than an actual musician. Aerosmith simply never had anyone nearly as talented as Brian Jones or Mick Taylor, Joe Perry clearly pines to be Keith Richards, and the Stones boast one of the most understated and solid rhythm sections in rock.

    Appetite for Destruction doesn't touch Exile on Main Street, which is a blooze masterpiece that betters any of the other usual suspects in the running for 'best rock album.' (e.g. the perennially overrated and almost offensively boring Sgt. Pepper's; Highway 61 Revisited; All Things Must Pass, etc.) You'll have to clue me in as to what 'commercial' signifies and why the Stones' alleged 'commercialism' crowns Rose and Slash (who has flushed his career down the toilet) as the kings of rock.
     
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    I'm going to have to agree with GnR Appetite For Destruction. One of the top 20 greatest rock albums ever IMO.

    I'm also going to agree with The Who, Queen, and The Clash.

    I'll add AC-DC to the mix. Even though 99% of their material is the same exact song, only with different sexual innuendo, It's still a great song.

    And as far as it goes, they have been rocking the F* out; using the same 4 chords for over 30 years.

    My favorite "Rock Stars"? Glenn Danzig gets my vote, hands down. Voice, style, song writing, image, and etc. Last Caress is quite possibly the greatest song ever written, and Static Age is a drastically underrated album.

    As far as "modern" rock goes, Tool.
     
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    Aerosmith is probably the most derivative band in the history of rock. Mick Jagger never had a good voice, but his shaping of musical lines, his diction, and a truly electrifying stage presence more than made up for what his voice lacked in power and range (and since rock is amplified, neither power nor range really matter anyway). Tyler, at his best, manages a hackneyed impression of Jagger's (already rather) mannered style and reminds me of an average Joe six drinks deep at a karaoke bar rather than an actual musician. Aerosmith simply never had anyone nearly as talented as Brian Jones or Mick Taylor, Joe Perry clearly pines to be Keith Richards, and the Stones boast one of the most understated and solid rhythm sections in rock.

    Appetite for Destruction doesn't touch Exile on Main Street, which is a blooze masterpiece that betters any of the other usual suspects in the running for 'best rock album.' (e.g. the perennially overrated and almost offensively boring Sgt. Pepper's; Highway 61 Revisited; All Things Must Pass, etc.) You'll have to clue me in as to what 'commercial' signifies and why the Stones' alleged 'commercialism' crowns Rose and Slash (who has flushed his career down the toilet) as the kings of rock.


    I have to agree with Soph, I've never liked the Rolling stones. I think they're sound is lame... I've seen them twice live and the first time I left half way through (and I used to go to A LOT of shows). I think GnR does what The Rolling Stones tried to do (at least in the street grit) department 1000% better. Ya, they invented it, but Guns perfected it. Everything the Beatles did still sounds fresh to my ears... The ROlling Stones sound extremely dated... I can't stand the guitars, and in fact, nothing excites me at all. I know they're like the gods of rock, but really, besides Street Fighting Man and maybe Paint it Black, I think their entire catalogue sounds super lame.

    Joe Perry doesn't "pine" to be Keith Richards. Who the hell would pine to be the worst guitar player ever next to Fred Durst? Joe Perry (one of the toxic twins) probably did as many drugs as Richards... honestly, Rolling Stones are the most overated band in history as far as I'm concerned. They gave the more rambunctious teenagers who were sick of The Beatles something to go crazy over. Without The Beatles, the Stones would be nothing.
     
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    I'll add AC-DC to the mix. Even though 99% of their material is the same exact song, only with different sexual innuendo, It's still a great song.

    And as far as it goes, they have been rocking the F* out; using the same 4 chords for over 30 years.

    yup Slim, thats exactly what I was thinking...Australian bias aside...just been banging out great head-noddin-stupid-grin-on-your-face rock n roll for decades.
     

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