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great leaders, who are your favorites?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by lee lin, Mar 6, 2008.

  1. ryoneo

    ryoneo Well-Known Member

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  2. Kai

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    George Washington

    Abraham Lincoln

    Winston Churchill

    Napoleon
     
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    Boris Johnson :smarmy:
     
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    Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson.
     
  5. Sir Humphrey Appleby

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    Anyone pimping Winston Churchill needs to suck a bulldogs cock.

    Herbert Henry "Dally" Messenger one of histories greatest leaders.
    In the early 20th century Messenger led the seemingly unwinnable struggle of all true sports lovers against the evils of Fairyball better known today as Association Football (Soccer). Offered contracts by the giants of English Fairyball, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur, Messenger refused all pecuniary inducements on the principle that it was a decadent game fit only for the effete and those lacking in character both moral and of physique.
     
  7. Sir Humphrey Appleby

    Sir Humphrey Appleby Well-Known Member

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    In 1908? :confused:
     
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    Man U won First Div in 1908, the F.A. cup the next season and First Div again in 1911 so yeah pretty powerful club at the time. Spurs not so much but they had won the F.A. cup a few years before. Either way they represented the evils of Fairyball.
     
  9. Sir Humphrey Appleby

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    So one league title. Aston Villa were the big guns back then. Spurs were not even in the Football League in 07/08 so they were hardly giants. Stop assuming history doesn't exist and things don't change just because your own country was only formed 5 years ago.
     
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    Sorry Humpy I'll not make a joke about the manly art of diving ever again. Well if I do you can be assured that I wont exaggerate the historical importance of one particular lot of Northern Gits or another lot of Southern Fairies.
     
  11. Fang66

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    Just checked, in 1908 Villa hadn't won a premiership since the turn of the century, so Man U were almost certainly a better side at the time.

    p.s. my country was 7 years old at the time not 5 and Dally M would have pwned Churchill's fat arse.
     
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  12. Sir Humphrey Appleby

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    What about the manly art of running for 10 seconds, getting tired so swapping the whole team over?

    I don't like Churchill.
     
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    Although American football is not my favourite game at least it contains elements of all truly great sports, athleticism, courage, grit, determination. You have got to admire the balls it takes to even stand on the same field as a bunch of 400 pound armour plated gorillas let alone tackle or be tackled by one.
     
  14. Sir Humphrey Appleby

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    Stamina? If you want balls go for Rugby, they weigh the same and can actually run for 80 minutes as well, and only wear a bit of padding at most. And no I'm not a rugby player or a fan.
     
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    Can't deny that there are some big lads playing Rugby but very few Rugby players weigh as much or are as brutally powerful as American Football linemen and none but the most elite rugby players are as fast and athletic as the guys who run the ball (running backs wide recievers etc). Also in Rugby all or many of the players get to have a nice breather everytime there is a breakdown, ruck, mall, scrum, lineout, penalty etc. For stamina try Rugby League.

    However, stamina itself is not really indicative of great sports exept where it helps to bring out those other qualities. For example the grit and determination required to attempt that Hail Mary (in the vernacular of our leftpodian friends) to win the match/game in the final seconds. Many sports require great stamina but are hardly noteworthy except as tests of stamina. Marathon running for example is a very difficult thing to do but hardly a great sport. On the other hand at least marathon is not a lowest common denominator sport like soccer which virtually anyone can play and most can play reasonably well with a bit of practice.
     
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    Is rugby league not rugby? The 100m sprint requires more stamina than American football FFS, if you like watching men spank each other and running into each other that's your choice, I prefer watching sports played by someone with skill and all round athleticism, not someone who's so unfit they're lucky to reach 55.
     
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    Come on the "spank each other" comment is a bit homophobic.

    American football players depending on the position have a different kind of stamina than you may be aware of. Say for example you are lifting weights and you go for a personal best dead lift after ramping up with heavy triples, doubles and singles, you are going to be pretty stuffed and it may have taken only 15 minutes and maybe 10 ~ 15 movements. Imagine having a 5 minute break and then trying to do it again and then try doing that for 3 or 4 hours! That's the kind of stamina those massive dudes have, they repeat short bursts of extreme physical exertion over an extended period. You say they don't have stamina, I say you have no idea about sport at all.

    And no Rugby and Rugby League are completely different sports. Football has a strong element of skill sure, but so do darts, ping pong and curling and as for all round athleticism give me a break, where is the strength the power, or even the stamina when you get to stand with hands on hips for the half of the game that the ball isn't in your half of the pitch. (depending on if you are a forward or a defender).
     
  18. Sir Humphrey Appleby

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    But rugby league is a kind of rugby football, otherwise it wouldn't have been called rugby? Strength - kicking the ball so it goes at 60mph, heading the ball so it doesn't rip your head off. Stamina - a midfielder will run (both jogging and sprinting) for roughly a half marathon over a match. What other sports are proper sports other than American football?
     
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    American football and football are both football so they are they same game otherwise they wouldn't be called football?

    Kicking a ball doesn't take great strength it is all timing.
     
  20. Sir Humphrey Appleby

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    Which sports other than American football are "worthy" sports to you? Please don't say sumo wrestling, that's just fat people groping each other.
     

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