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Grammar/Spelling/Syntax/English lessons

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by j, May 12, 2006.

  1. odoreater

    odoreater Well-Known Member

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    I was an editor on my school's law review. This stuff gives me nightmares.

    By the way, why not use italics for the Power to the People movement. That, more or less, eliminates all of the ambiguities.
     
  2. Margaret

    Margaret Well-Known Member

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  3. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Well-Known Member

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    assume this is a law firm. which is correct? (there may be more than one correct answer)

    smith, young, bradly & jones

    smith, young, bradly and jones

    smith, young, bradly, and jones
     
  4. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    assume this is a law firm. which is correct? (there may be more than one correct answer) smith, young, bradly & jones smith, young, bradly and jones smith, young, bradly, and jones
    I personally prefer number three, number one is the next least offensive, and number two should burn in a firey hell. Although I'd probably like it better if the names were capitalized.
     
  5. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Well-Known Member

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    I personally prefer number three, number one is the next least offensive, and number two should burn in a firey hell.

    Although I'd probably like it better if the names were capitalized.


    how about this:

    we went swimming, fishing, and hiking.
    we went swimming, fishing and hiking.
    we went swimming, fishing & hiking.

    does the same rule apply?
     
  6. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    how about this:

    we went swimming, fishing, and hiking.
    we went swimming, fishing and hiking.
    we went swimming, fishing & hiking.

    does the same rule apply?


    I believe so, except that i'd never put an ampersand in a sentance.

    So in this case, I'd pick number one, with two and three both being incorrect.
     
  7. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Well-Known Member

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    I believe so, except that i'd never put an ampersand in a sentance.

    So in this case, I'd pick number one, with two and three both being incorrect.

    so 1 and 2 are both correct?
     
  8. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    so 1 and 2 are both correct?
    When you use a comma to seperate items, it acts as a pause. So unless "swimming" is one thing, and "fishing and hiking" are another thing, then you need three commas. Swimming, fishing, and hiking. In your previous example, the ampersand (&) takes the place of the word "and", the fact that it's a character and not a letter gives one a natural pause. A comma before a character is clumsy and unneccesary. The fact that its a title and not a sentance allows the use of an ampersand, which normally would be frowned upon in traditional writing.
     
  9. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Well-Known Member

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    When you use a comma to seperate items, it acts as a pause. So unless "swimming" is one thing, and "fishing and hiking" are another thing, then you need three commas.

    Swimming, fishing, and hiking.

    In your previous example, the ampersand (&) takes the place of the word "and", the fact that it's a character and not a letter gives one a natural pause. A comma before a character is clumsy and unneccesary.

    so then it seems to me that 2 is incorrect.
     
  10. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    so then it seems to me that 2 is incorrect.

    That is what I said, two and three are incorrect.
     
  11. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Well-Known Member

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    got it. thanks. i misread post #186.
     
  12. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    Then again, I don't think anyone really gives a shit anymore, unless you are editing for a newspaper, or want your suicide note to have perfect grammar, or whatever.

    hellz man U kan evun spel lik thiz and peeps unn'er 20 wil hav no probz unn'erstandin what you sayin.
     
  13. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Well-Known Member

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    for my suicide note.[​IMG]

    Ah then, make sure to capitalize all proper nouns, and don't be afraid of the semi-colon! Always a suicide note favorite of mine.
     
  15. matadorpoeta

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    Ah then, make sure to capitalize all proper nouns, and don't be afraid of the semi-colon! Always a suicide note favorite of mine.
    i often use semi colons, though i don't really know the rules that pertain to them. i just go with my gut. everytime i use one in microsoft word, the spell checker says, "use of semi colon. consider revising," as though there were never a right time to use one.

    capitalizing proper nouns is against my aesthetic. you know that.
     
  16. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    i often use semi colons, though i don't really know the rules that pertain to them. i just go with my gut. everytime i use one in microsoft word, the spell checker says, "use of semi colon. consider revising," as though there were never a right time to use one.

    capitalizing proper nouns is against my aesthetic. you know that.


    Spell checker is retarded; Semicolons are awesome.
     
  17. Kent Wang

    Kent Wang Well-Known Member

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    The hyphen may be more appropriate there -- not that the semicolon is wrong, though.
     
  18. Britalian

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    That final serial, or Oxford, comma is generally omitted in modern British English (and in US journalism), contrary to general US English use, and Fowler's, too. If there are too many ands in the area, however, that final comma aids clarity.
    The ampersand problems relates, I think, to proper nouns in lists. Turnbull & Asser but not ...fishing & hiking, unless used as informal shorthand.
     
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    i often use semi colons, though I don't really know the rules that pertain to them. i just go with my gut. everytime i use one in microsoft word, the spell checker says, "use of semi colon. consider revising." as though there were never a right time to use one.
    Spell checker is retarded; Semicolons are awesome.

    The semi-colon is often used to join together two independent clauses -- in other words, it joins two clauses that could be sentences. For example: "matadorpoeta drives an Aston-Martin; however, Tokyo Slim drives a Bentley."

    These two clauses could be separate sentences: "matadorpoeta drives an Aston-Martin. Tokyo Slim drives a Bentley." However, when you use a semi-colon, you are generally suggesting that there is a relationship between the sentences, but you are not making that relationship clear.

    Usually, you can tell from the context what the relationship is. In the example above, the relationship is probably contrast; you could also use "but" to make this clear: "matadorpoeta drives an Aston-Martin, but Tokyo Slim drives a Bentley." When you use a semi-colon, it is often because you want to make the reader think about the relationship. This is useful in many situations, such as when writing cautiously, ironically, or humorously. [​IMG]

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  20. Brian SD

    Brian SD Well-Known Member

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    I find periods and commas to be overused in general. Both are aesthetically displeasing -- who wants text "full of birdshot and wormholes?"

    (Quoted Robert Bringhurst, author of The Elements of Typographic Style)
     

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