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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. Monkeyface

    Monkeyface Well-Known Member

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    Or he's just not embarrassed about having certain natural desires. Discussing particular sites might go a bit too far for the faint of heart/depending on which course he's in, but I've had classes where pornography is openly discussed. Everyone knows that everyone does it/has done it at some point in time. It might be a taboo in South Korea, but it's certainly not one in Western Europe.
     
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  2. Claghorn

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    The majority of those kids are in college (college professors here tend to lecture from powerpoint and test from powerpoint...they take the whole "let me research go away I don't want to teach please please go away ok fine but I'm not going to enjoy it and neither will they" archetype to a whole new level). Which is where I come in (someone who actually enjoys teaching this stuff). The crazy thing is I get paid more than most of them. Education here is just nuts. I could write a book. And may one day, though well after I get the credentials (and the research) to back it up.

    I'm just not clear where admitting you watch porn is a dumb move. It isn't a smart move. It just doesn't seem to go either way. Korean kids are way less conservative than you remember them, Noodles. Most don't see anything wrong with gay marriage these days. Pretty damned incredible given that 5 years ago, most kids that age could barely conceive the notion. This country takes "quick" to a whole new level.
     
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  3. The Noodles

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    You may have a better view since you have contact with them everyday but it is more like, "Live however you want but don't FFFFFFFF'n touch me" kind of attitude towards gays. Korea (govt) has not even begun talking about gay marriage.

    If I said out loud that I watch porn in front of my coworkers (including females) that would be pretty stupid. We all may do it but just keep that stuff to yourself.
     
  4. Claghorn

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    Coworkers definitely different from fellow students. Also, you could get sued. He brought it up and discussed it relatively academically. A few people snickered at first, but most listened with a look of mild shock and legitimate interest.

    Yeah. But you know how massive generation gaps are in Korea. And really, one would need "sub-generations" to really comprehend how quickly social norms and values change here. There is a visible difference in values in a group of kids just four years apart.
     
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  5. Monkeyface

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    That's a professional setting, where not the intent but the outcome matters when it comes to sexual harassment (especially in the US). If only one person would feel uncomfortable with that statement they'd have a valid case against you. College is more of a social setting, especially when you're an undergrad. It's not out of bounds in a social setting, depending on your social circle of course.

    Pornography is certainly not discussed in everyday situations, but it does come up during parties or drinking games and such. You'd be surprised by the amount people (guys & girls) of my generation that readily admit they watch it, and aren't the least bit embarrassed about it. That's the way it should be imho, there's no need to be ashamed of your bodily functions.
     
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  6. The Noodles

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    @Monkeyface
    Been meaning to ask you. Did you permanently relocate to NYC?!

    Hmmm...my wife and her younger sister were born in the 90s and they seem to share the same views as I. I am guessing you're talking about high school aged kids. I can't say much about Korean kids but the American kids have become very liberal in some of the social issues in general.
     
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  7. Claghorn

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    Most of the college kids I know, with the exception of a few freshman, probably are more in the "ewwwwwwwww.....let them do their own thing but not around me" camp as well as folks in their early mid 20s. Adults our age (early 30s late 20s) tend to be more of a "uhhhhh.....weird...I guess....it isn't right and gross....but whatever" and you get older than that and you start running into "Korea doesn't have any homosexuals." High school kids, especially those who go to the international schools here, as well as Hana, Daewon, and KMLA, are very pro-gay. It's become sort of trendy.

    I know its nuts to try to assign values to such small targets, but Korea is

    a) ridiculously homogenous within peer groups
    b) ridiculously rapid when it comes to any sort of change.

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    I recently taught a small summer class on literature and values (high school kids). The books we used were Things Fall Apart, The Stranger, Night, Siddhartha, The Jungle, To Kill a Mockingbird, East of Eden and the Pearl. The lectures were focused less on the books and more on how our values develop (covering anthropology, psychology, history, sociology, and evolutionary psychology/economics), though they would tie into various themes in the books.

    We spent a class on gender roles (the two lectures for Things Fall Apart were on masculinity, femininity, and gender roles and on globalization and acculturation). Most of the kids felt that gender was psychological rather than biological.

    I have a (female, biologically and psychologically) student going to Smith next week. Apparently they'll accept biological males who identify as females. Pretty nuts. A ha.
     
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  8. Betelgeuse

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    To continue a bit with the trousers I got a few weeks ago, I talk to the tailor and he cleaned the seat a bit more - removed the excess of fabric so you don't have negative thoughts [​IMG] - and this is the result.

    Previous.

    [​IMG]

    Current.

    He need to nip the wait a bit since my body fat is finally going down! [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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  9. The Noodles

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    Couple things that are true for Koreans:
    1) Hate their neighbors to the south that live on an island.
    2) Extremely nationalistic
    3) Extremely superficial - you are judged based on what you wear, kind of car you drive, how you look, how tall you are, list goes on
    4) Homers for brands

    I can't do the same for Americans as there are so diverse.


    Mucho better but the previous one was not bad either.
    ...and please stop showing us you fine @ss
     
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  10. Betelgeuse

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    That's why it was spoilered. [​IMG]
     
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  11. Monkeyface

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    Noodles, I was only in NYC for a month. I'm living in London now, just moved into a beautiful apartment in a very nice location for a somewhat reasonable price, so I'm very happy! It's nice to finally have a more permanent home after having moved 10 times in the past 5 years or so.

    All of my clothing budget is going to things for the apartment though, as I'm planning on staying here for at least 2 years.
     
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  12. rms340

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    I think this point is true for a lot of Asian countries. I always found us indians to be incredibly superficial. It becomes extremely evident when marriage time roles around. I've seen a lot of Indian parents prefer their kids marry someone that fits a superficial criteria (looks/job/wealth) rather than someone who has good personality traits.
     
  13. The Noodles

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    LOL - I guess you haven't have a real permanent home yet since you're planning on staying there for at least two years.

    Furniture and stuff that you put in your house is very costly. I just learned it within the last couple of months.
    (I hope she stops.)

     
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    moar pics of hawt stewardesses plz.
     
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    Noodles, some never stop. If I asked my wife for a list of everything she would like to change or replace in our home, it would go on for pages.
     
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  16. Monkeyface

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    That's the downside of a steep salary curve. I'm expecting/hoping to make at least twice as much in two years time, so why would I stay in the same apartment if I can afford a nicer one?
     
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    I used to hate that book. Probably because it wasn't utilized well in class discussions.
    It's safe to assume that the parents want to create the best situation for their offspring; and this neither geocentric nor ethnocentric. I also find that they consider sexual and personal attraction negligible (generally speaking).
     
  18. Mr. Six

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    Mills College announced yesterday that their admissions policy will include people who self-identify as female (with some parameters) and that anyone who is already admitted who transitions from female to male while a student will be allowed to graduate. It's not a gigantic move of the civil rights needle, but it will make a difference for the transgender and transitioning community. I hope more single-sex schools follow their example.
     
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  19. rms340

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    I think that used to be the case with our culture. Especially since our parents came from close to nothing and immigrated to North America. In recent years the parents care more about what people will say about them and that trumps other important issues (if the person actually is interested in their child, will they take care of their child in more ways than just financially). Parents say they won't allow them to marry certain people because it would make their family look less than what they are perceived to be to others in the community. I know people that have married people that fit a certain criteria but have a miserable marriage. They can't separate/divorce because that would shame the family. It's a shitty situation.
     
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  20. Kira

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    Oops, I completely forgot about that.

    I've been seeing that here lately. The parents showcasing their children with the mentality of, "my child is/was raised better than yours" and whatnot. I believe this happens because they don't want to see their children fail; and only want their precious little somethings to experience only the positive things in life. In other words, they want the return on investment. You spend a large amount of money on them and they become a part of you. It isn't as commonplace as the Asian cultures though. It's usually exclusive to the close-knit families (from what I've seen).

    EDIT: I would like to add that mass media contributes to this schema.
     
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