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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. gs77

    gs77 Well-Known Member

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    Be careful. Not everyone on this forum comes from the same side of iron curtain.
     
  2. Claghorn

    Claghorn Well-Known Member

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    Somehow I suspect the former Bloc countries haven't been any better conditioned to think critically about economics and history than we have.
     
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    I am not looking for overly academic discussion. I am looking for.. ahem... opinionated discussion.

    (Aren't all western academics Marxist?)[​IMG]
     
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  4. mimo

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    The bad guys always have the best uniforms.

    (Ian "Lemmy" Kilmister)
     
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  5. Claghorn

    Claghorn Well-Known Member

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    All the best composers are in Hell
     
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    They were not thought to equate fascism and communism, definitelly. [​IMG]
     
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    True^

    Though I wonder how important that distinction was after the 1960s, the majority of fascist governments and movements having petered out, with the exception of Spain, I guess.

    I suppose Park Chung-hee in South Korea could accurately be described as Fascist, in practice and ideology if not in name, and I'm sure Kim Il-sung highlighted that in his own rhetoric into the 70s and 80s (with Park successor Chun).

    Park Jungyul of B&Tailor, early in his career, worked at the tailor who made the dictator's suits.
     
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  8. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Well-Known Member

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    Noodles's return is as inevitable as his banishment. How's that for deterministic?

    What's the difference?

    The answer is in the question of whether the distinction matters today. The answer is yes.
     
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    Interesting - he's the older gentleman in all the photos, right?
     
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    Difference? In the level of boring...
     
  11. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Well-Known Member

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    Some truth to that.
     
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    Is Noodles banned forever or just in the naughty corner?
     
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    Permanently.
     
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    In the sense that political forces are going to influence how the political science and history is taught? I don't know if it will. Of course, that influence is already heavily institutionalized
     
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    That's the thing, how can you really separate the two? In a sense I think the question of whether or not political forces will influence those things is the wrong question to ask. The teaching of political science and history are now a part of the same system as politics, especially in the post-post structuralist academic world. Whether one influences the other is a moot point when taken in the context of marshaling competing social forces. It's no longer a matter of doing good history, it's a matter of whose ideology we are going to accept as the standard when doing it.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. He was entirely out of order, no question, but if we applied the same standard to misogyny this would be a pretty quiet forum...
     
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    ericgereghty Well-Known Member

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    Was the perma ban for the J word? Can't say I'm tremendously heartened by that...especially if Noods himself is Japanese
     
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    Time to go off the rails...

    So, I've been undertaking a lot of research into the intellectual/economic history of U.S. capitalism in the postbellum period. Here's the thing that gets me; some of the most brilliant social thinkers in the history of this country worked for decades to try and resolve the problems of justifying Revolutionary era ideals like liberty and popular sovereignty in a time when the household economy was in decline and the traditional political economy was under attack by the forces of industrialization and urbanization. One gets the sense that much of what this amounted to was academic acrobatics worthy of a Ptolemaic astronomer. We're still stuck with that today. The traditional political economy was incompatible with an industrial world and it is certainly incompatible with a technological world, yet instead of a re-evaluation we simply got a new concept of what freedom really means. I partially blame Henry David Thoreau, but I also blame the new Social Science.
     
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    You have my attention. My advisor wrote a book that sums up how I think about nineteenth century US political economy pretty well: a transition from freedom meaning the option to escape from the forces of markets into a society where freedom meant the ability to participate in markets. Without wishing to turn this into the CE thread (God forbid), I think we're in a moment where that formulation might still apply.
     
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    Yes. His second job was at Hilton Tailor (doing menial tasks). It was his first since moving from the countryside into Seoul.

    It might be a moot difference, but it is still a difference. Though yes, I agree that it is moot because at this point, the outcome is the same. Though I suppose it should be easier to change now that the political/ideological forces behind the status quo have diminished.


    He's Korean, and he had been temporarily banned a number of times for a variety of reasons. I think this was just the straw that broke the camels back.

    As long as it remains Good Natured, it will never be a CE thread.

    But check out the length of Pinkerton's jacket:

    [​IMG]
     
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