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Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Jan 6, 2014.

  1. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Well-Known Member

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    I like some slope (super flat shoulders looks strange). Guido's in the WAYWT thread looks good.
     
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  2. Patrick R

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    Your shoulders are wide or narrow, sloped or square, muscular or slender because they are. Wanting to be something you're not because you think one natural condition is better (or looks better) is kind of messed up.

    It is a hyperbolic point, but reading this thread makes me feel like the times I've read about people being concerned about how light or dark their complexion is and thinking a different complexion is better.
     
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  3. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Well-Known Member

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    ? So Arnold Schwarzenegger naturally had those shoulders?

    Of course you can change your shoulders. Bodybuilder also often have much more sloped shoulders as well due to larger traps. Not natural
     
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  4. archibaldleach

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    I'd assume Patrick is getting at the idea that we are all starting off with a particular natural body shape that is what it is. Obviously things like diet and exercise are going to change how one looks, but it's not helpful to wish you were born with a different body type. Wanting to be stronger or fitter is one thing. We can work out and generally improve ourselves. Wanting to be shorter / taller / naturally smaller or larger framed / have a different bone structure is another.
     
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  5. Patrick R

    Patrick R Well-Known Member

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    • archibaldleach gets it. And if Arnold/bodybuilders are your counter-example, you are just solidifying my point.


    And Noodles isn't going to be able to do anything to look like Murl (and vice versa).
     
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  6. MGoCrimson

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    Yea, shrugs are going to give you sloping shoulders sooner than they'll add any appreciable width.
     
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  7. New Shoes1

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    You all have me confused now on whether I have sloped or square shoulders. I thought sloped due to my traps, but if Murl is telling me sloped shoulders need padding and Noodles has sloped shoulders, I'm no longer sure what I have.

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  8. The Noodles

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    I can improve the way my shoulders look through exercise so I will try.
    I can improve the way my buttocks look through exercise so I will try.
    These two things are completely different from wanting your complexion changed. I believe that issue is rooted on racial discrimination.

    I am not. I just want to look better in my suits. What is so wrong about wanting to lose some pounds and building some muscles to accomplish this goal?
     
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  9. kulata

    kulata Well-Known Member

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    Deets on suit please. :D
     
  10. venividivicibj

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    Shoulders look pretty square to me (might be the suit), shirt only pic would be best
     
  11. New Shoes1

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    Kent Wang MTM. The gray one is version 2 and improved on the navy one (I also had the sleeves lengthened on the navy since this picture). I'm on the fence about whether to get a third one from KW or try something different.

    Okay, here is a shirt only picture. This is my latest Luxire, which I had modified recently to adjust for sloped shoulders to see if it would address the v I usually get in the front:

    [​IMG]
     
  12. venividivicibj

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    Fits you really well (the suits).
     
  13. The Noodles

    The Noodles Well-Known Member

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    I can't tell because of the shirt. Can you take another shot with the shirt off?
     
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  14. Academic2

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    Nice shirt, though the collar in that photo looks a bit like the flying nun, banking to the right and coming in for a landing ...

    Cheers,

    Ac [​IMG]
     
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  15. kulata

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    I think you have normal sloping shoulders. The suit probably has a little support in the shoulders which you don't seem to need. the suits fit you nicely, but if I would make changes it would be going for the 4 inch lapel and maybe trying a softer shoulder expression
     
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  17. venividivicibj

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    I said shirt only, so he shouldnt be wearing pants in this pic. What more do you want noodles?!
     
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  18. New Shoes1

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    This collar was a Luxire experiment that I won't be repeating. It's fine with a jacket, but keeps flying away without one.
    The gray one has the 4.25 inch lapel and the soft shoulder. Are you suggesting I go with the no padding option with KW next time or look for a different cut altogether? Isn't the no padding option less formal?

    Camera was 3 inches below collarbone level.
     
  19. Academic2

    Academic2 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  20. kulata

    kulata Well-Known Member

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    If you are bothered with the formality, you can try the no padding option on a less formal fabric like fresco or Panama weave. If you are comfortable with it then keep using it. I was more focused on the navy suit (browsing on cellphone), the 4.25 inch lapel makes a lot of difference
     

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