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General Football Talk (that's soccer guys)

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by rdawson808, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. romafan

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    Loved the Arsenal vs Milan- Arsenal totally deserved it.

    Roma vs Real Madrid. RM played crappy- didn't have injury prone Robben, Sneijder, Ruud. Ramos. If they had those players and their midfield played with heart-they would totally beat Roma. Roma didn't play like Roma..they looked dangerous, but just played like your typical Italian side. That being said, congrats on making it to the next round. hopefully you get tossed around.


    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  2. rdawson808

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    Barnsley 1 - 0 Chelsea.


    The giant killers! Last round it was Liverpool, this week Chelsea!

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  3. water

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    Man United out. Chelsea out. This is fantastic.
     
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    Barnsley 1 - 0 Chelsea.

    does this answer your "americans in europe" question?
     
  5. rdawson808

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    does this answer your "americans in europe" question?

    Actually yes. [​IMG] This sort of performance shows that even second tier clubs are better than MLS. I can't picture any MLS club beating Chelsea (even with Chelsea playing as poorly as they did).

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  6. romafan

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    Tomorrow, our illustrious capitano will make his 500th appearance for the Giallorossi against Napoli! Forza Totti! [​IMG]
     
  7. Tokyo Slim

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    And in other news, I had a Wendy's Baconator instead of the Big Mac.
     
  8. whacked

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    Loved the Arsenal vs Milan- Arsenal totally deserved it.
    [​IMG]
    wish I could've seen the game though

    Tomorrow, our illustrious capitano will make his 500th appearance for the Giallorossi against Napoli! Forza Totti! [​IMG]

    One of the more overrated players there is...
     
  9. romafan

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    And in other news, I had a Wendy's Baconator instead of the Big Mac.

    I went to the new 5 Guys and had a 'little cheeseburger' w/ everything except the sauteed mushrooms. Very tasty, but bun needs to be better....


    One of the more overrated players there is...


    [​IMG]
     
  10. Guy Burgess

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    Only one premiership club left in the FA Cup now Middlesborough are out. Also West Ham got decimated 4-0...again. 3 games in a row now, poor guys, ha.
     
  11. benecios

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    I am still pissed off that the "Reds" lost to Portsmouth on Saturday but it is great for the competition to have only one top flight club left,the first time for 108 years incidentally.
    After a poor start the weekend did improve with Chelsea getting knocked out as well and Arsenal giving us the upper hand in the title race.
     
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    I'd happily take a loss in the Cup to Pompey over having the club roasting on a spit after Tom Hicks pulled out of negotiations with DIC.

    I sincerely hope Hicks loses his shirt over the club.
     
  13. rdawson808

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    Excellent, I've been meaning to ask this:

    Why do Liverpool fans hate the American owners so much but seem perfectly happy with owners from Dubai? At first I thought this was just a "we don't want foreigners owning our club" but it's clearly not. Is it just that you don't want Americans owning your club?

    Let's face it, owners from anywhere can make bad investments or business decisions, and who's to say the your new Dubai overlords won't do the same? And you've been opposed to the Americans from Day 1.

    Shit, you guys should come to the US where club owners simply pick up their teams and move them to different cities if the business model says so. Be happy your teams are so inextricably linked with your cities. It used to be here that team names reflected the city; now owners avoid that so the team can more easily be moved. New Orleans Jazz? Washington Senators? Crap that's all I can think of now but I know there are more.

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  14. strazzaque

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    Why do Liverpool fans hate the American owners so much but seem perfectly happy with owners from Dubai?
    .... Is it just that you don't want Americans owning your club?
    .....[Y]ou've been opposed to the Americans from Day 1.


    Not true, G&T (George and Tom) were welcomed with open arms initially, when we were assured by former owner Moores and CEO Parry that these guys had experience running sports clubs, were expert stadium builders, had REQUISITE FUNDS (and pulling power), as well as marketing nous.

    For their part, they promised to be custodians, and NOT SADDLE THE CLUB WITH DEBT.
    A year on and they've managed to balls-up all that goodwill like a pair of bumbling yokels, going from gaffe to gaffe- bringing on debt, revising stadium plans when they did not have the money, making overtures to Klinsmann while Rafa was still the incumbent, etc.

    No surprise to hear they also managed to fall out with each other. Blame is being laid equally strongly at the feet of Moores and Parry for selling out to these tossers, for 8 million pounds more (they had no choice but to consider the offer), when DIC were superior to those 2 in bigger picture terms ( I'll elaborate if you wish, on this point), if not finance. Shame on them for being outsmarted by an extra few pounds per share, though.

    Liverpool fans, and I have nothing against Americans. (I married one and am moving there for her alone) We even courted some Americans early in the 2000s, like Nate Jacqua, Stefani Miglioranzi and Adu.

    However, your business mentality regarding sports ownership does not translate well outside your own borders. In the US sport seems to be a commodity (more so than elsewhere, for the moment), centred around advertising and product placement.

    Manchester United is becoming like that, with its co-branding arrangements with the Yankees, and before that, the commercialising of brand Beckham (pre-Glazer).

    This is similar to the branding of Jordan, and other prominent sports stars packaged to the US and global public- team sports usurped by an individual.

    Liverpool and Stevie G, but he's not nearly as exploited, or exploitable, as Becks.

    All teams are doing that now- those who have the players for it, at any rate.

    On the other hand, Randy Lerner is the type of owner football fans would welcome, and have. He's been the best of the American invasion of football.

    DIC is seen as the organisation which can save LFC by doing things right, namely, throwing much more money than either of our incumbent jokers, towards players, the stadium, and also PR. Their CEO's a life-long fan, and their ruler has shown how badly he wants to make everything associated with Dubai world class.

    Gillett has gone mute, and we only wish Hicks would shut up, and sell up. Regrettably, it seems American business practices will yet make an example of Liverpool, and forever tarnish the hopes for more responsible US businessmen with aspirations of owning English clubs.

    For all the Lerners they'll always remind an already suspicious bunch of locals of Hicks and Gillett.

    .....come to the US where club owners simply pick up their teams and move them to different cities if the business model says so.

    Not surprising, when you consider the amount of atmosphere that has to be artificially created at American sports via the use of Jumbotrons et al. True passion resides in college football, from what I've seen. (Wolverines v Iowa, 2005) English football retains all the passion, but it is becoming more and more expensive, and moving away from its working class fanbase, towards the affluent, civil and more refined audience.

    I'm part of the latter crowd, but even I think that is sad for the little guy who loses his chance to scream his idols on, cos Daddy cannot afford it.

    As for moving the club, this will not be possible in England, or most of the countries where football has achieved strong grassroots affinities with the local communities.

    It is one reason why American sports will probably fail to ever compete with football globally, in addition to being vastly disadvantaged in terms of exposure.
     
  15. rdawson808

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    Not true, G&T (George and Tom) were welcomed with open arms initially...[snipped for brevity]

    Thanks for the explanation. I misread the situation re: opposition from the beginning, I guess. How have they brought on debt? Have they not brought in enough cash? If you don't mind a brief explanation I would appreciate it (just for my own education).


    It is one reason why American sports will probably fail to ever compete with football globally, in addition to being vastly disadvantaged in terms of exposure.

    The other being that American sports are boring.

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  16. benecios

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    So no away wins in the Champions League tonight so every game is still nicely poised(although I would make Chelsea very strong favourites).
    Just one thought,how can Inter dominate in Italy but be so shit in Europe?
    I know tonight Materazzi fell victim to Torres diving not once but twice,but Liverpool were outplaying them anyway.


    I don't want to sound like I am [​IMG] but based on Inter's two performances against Liverpool they are distinctly average,and thats an overstatement.
     
  17. matadorpoeta

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    I don't want to sound like I am [​IMG] but based on Inter's two performances against Liverpool they are distinctly average,and thats an overstatement.

    inter are a great team having a tough year in terms of injuries. almost every player on the field today has suffered a long injury this season (vieira, materazzi, stankovic, maicon), or was just returning from injury (ibra, cruz, chivu). they were also without 2 of their best defenders in cordoba and samuel. the only match-fit players on the field today were zanetti, julio cesar, and cambiasso--and they were the only ones who played well.

    if they continue on this slide, roma will win the league, and either way, i doubt mancini will return as coach.

    now that inter are out, my support goes to barcelona.
     
  18. ibleedwhite

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    Not true, G&T (George and Tom) were welcomed with open arms initially, when we were assured by former owner Moores and CEO Parry that these guys had experience running sports clubs, were expert stadium builders, had REQUISITE FUNDS (and pulling power), as well as marketing nous.

    For their part, they promised to be custodians, and NOT SADDLE THE CLUB WITH DEBT.
    A year on and they've managed to balls-up all that goodwill like a pair of bumbling yokels, going from gaffe to gaffe- bringing on debt, revising stadium plans when they did not have the money, making overtures to Klinsmann while Rafa was still the incumbent, etc.

    No surprise to hear they also managed to fall out with each other. Blame is being laid equally strongly at the feet of Moores and Parry for selling out to these tossers, for 8 million pounds more (they had no choice but to consider the offer), when DIC were superior to those 2 in bigger picture terms ( I'll elaborate if you wish, on this point), if not finance. Shame on them for being outsmarted by an extra few pounds per share, though.

    Liverpool fans, and I have nothing against Americans. (I married one and am moving there for her alone) We even courted some Americans early in the 2000s, like Nate Jacqua, Stefani Miglioranzi and Adu.

    However, your business mentality regarding sports ownership does not translate well outside your own borders. In the US sport seems to be a commodity (more so than elsewhere, for the moment), centred around advertising and product placement.

    Manchester United is becoming like that, with its co-branding arrangements with the Yankees, and before that, the commercialising of brand Beckham (pre-Glazer).

    This is similar to the branding of Jordan, and other prominent sports stars packaged to the US and global public- team sports usurped by an individual.

    Liverpool and Stevie G, but he's not nearly as exploited, or exploitable, as Becks.

    All teams are doing that now- those who have the players for it, at any rate.

    On the other hand, Randy Lerner is the type of owner football fans would welcome, and have. He's been the best of the American invasion of football.

    DIC is seen as the organisation which can save LFC by doing things right, namely, throwing much more money than either of our incumbent jokers, towards players, the stadium, and also PR. Their CEO's a life-long fan, and their ruler has shown how badly he wants to make everything associated with Dubai world class.

    Gillett has gone mute, and we only wish Hicks would shut up, and sell up. Regrettably, it seems American business practices will yet make an example of Liverpool, and forever tarnish the hopes for more responsible US businessmen with aspirations of owning English clubs.

    For all the Lerners they'll always remind an already suspicious bunch of locals of Hicks and Gillett.



    Not surprising, when you consider the amount of atmosphere that has to be artificially created at American sports via the use of Jumbotrons et al. True passion resides in college football, from what I've seen. (Wolverines v Iowa, 2005) English football retains all the passion, but it is becoming more and more expensive, and moving away from its working class fanbase, towards the affluent, civil and more refined audience.

    I'm part of the latter crowd, but even I think that is sad for the little guy who loses his chance to scream his idols on, cos Daddy cannot afford it.

    As for moving the club, this will not be possible in England, or most of the countries where football has achieved strong grassroots affinities with the local communities.

    It is one reason why American sports will probably fail to ever compete with football globally, in addition to being vastly disadvantaged in terms of exposure.


    major props for explaining it right. i was about to go in there and throw in a summary, but you did the job well [​IMG]
     
  19. strazzaque

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    Thanks for the explanation. I misread the situation re: opposition from the beginning, I guess. How have they brought on debt? Have they not brought in enough cash? If you don't mind a brief explanation I would appreciate it (just for my own education)....
    The other being that American sports are boring.


    I REALLY enjoyed my college football experience, from the tailgate to the game itself.

    I owe the Wolverine nation an apology, however. My fist pump during "Hail to the Victors" was a more of a wooden Hitler salute than I would have liked.

    There were lots of great moments from that game, from the jangling of 110,000 sets of keys by fans to baulk the Iowa kicker, to the Iowa fan who sat surrounded by Wolverine supporters. He waved his cap in their faces when Iowa scored first, and was promptly pelted with about 200 dollars in five cent pieces, I mean "nickels." He got rich for his pain, and also collected a couple of beers, minus their cups, if memory serves correct.

    I can also watch ice hockey and maybe basketball, at a stretch, but forget baseball. That sport is about as tiresome for me as test cricket.

    Now then, for your continuing footy education, especially on the Liverpool refinancing, read this Telegraph report

    Never, EVER read The S*n, a tabloid fish and chip wrapper, masquerading as a newspaper.

    That is probably one of the few acts of self-censorship football fans willingly go along with, at least among the Red faithful.

    Leave the Everton insults to the locals, though. ;]
     
  20. strazzaque

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    major props for explaining it right. i was about to go in there and throw in a summary, but you did the job well [​IMG]

    Thank you. It is important to discourage the message that Americans should stay out of football, in any capacity.

    They should, and will be good at it, because their players have the determination, infrastructure and fitness to go far, as do their administrators.

    American commentators however, remain shocking, to my ears. ;p

    When I played pick-up games during my visits to Ann Arbor, the locals weren't nearly as skilled (one guy asked me to play in advanced midfield on account of being skilled. I'm not, and normally play centre back) as they are fit bastards!

    They can run you down like no one else. The thing I found most amusing, was the variation on calls.

    The 'switch' as I know it, a crossfield ball, was played 'square', and vice versa.

    Oh, and t'was my first time playing on astroturf.
     

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