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Gaziano & Girling Appreciation & Shoe Appreciation Thread (including reviews, purchases, pictures, e

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. JonathanCWalker

    JonathanCWalker Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking about ordering these for a while now can you tell me the colour you ordered?
     
  2. LeJouvre

    LeJouvre Well-Known Member

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    I have been following this thread for months (lurking).

    I am the proud owner of a few G&G after taking the plunge last year with a pair of St James.

    So far so good, very happy with all my G&G, except that yesterday a friend of mine told me he was charged over $500, including around $100 for shipping both ways, to resole and refurb his shoes at G&G!

    WoW ! !

    At first he did not think much about it, but then he realized a replacement pair would only cost a bit more and, not only that, but I pay much less at John Lobb and Cleverleys and EG for refurbs and re sole.

    Can this be right? The reason you buy top quality shoes is exactly because you do not want to have to dispose of them once they become worn and used.

    These are not "disposables" right?

    At $400 plus shipping you might as well shell out the extra few bucks for a new pair of shoes. You could glue a piece of some old car tire to the bottoms of the old pair to use in the garden.

    Suddenly I am crap scared of using my G&G shoes now. I own 5 pairs. At $500 each I will have to shell out over $2.5k within 2 years.

    Am I wrong to be so surprised at this huge cost?
     
  3. JonathanCWalker

    JonathanCWalker Well-Known Member

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    Can anyone tell me the difference in fit from A Deco range shoe and a TG73? I own 2 pairs in the TG73 but looking at buying the "Bates" but they are in the Deco range

    If anyone could help it would be much appreciated

    Jonny
     
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    Yeah, I'm 8 US and 7.5 G&G so that means I don't have to change, thanks
     
  5. in stitches

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    it is rather winsome.
     
  6. Sir F

    Sir F Well-Known Member

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    Spoo what kind of socks is that? What brand?
     
  7. Stirling

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    They are knitted by Mrs Spoo.
     
  8. Quadcammer

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    well, a new pair is more like double that, so not really a few bucks.

    you could always try sending them to nick at b.nelson. they'll do a good job with quality products for less than $150
     
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    :slayer:



    Good question. Let me find out and Ill let you know.



    Marcoliani 70/30 wool nylon.
     
  10. fritzl

    fritzl Well-Known Member

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    this figure came up when luk-cha had a pair of his bespoke numbers resoled recently. from my understanding the expensive factor in the equation is the fiddle back waist rebuilt.

    probably a shoemaker or skilled cobbler can chime in and shed some light on this topic. i can imagine, if you forego the fiddleback and settle down with a conventional resole you can get away with the usual cost scheme. dunno if g&g would do that, though. inquiring minds would like to know.
     
  11. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Well-Known Member

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    Traditionally in a Northampton shoe, the price for resoling and refurbishing a pair of shoes has always been something like 30% of the price for a new pair (leaving the premium for exotic upper leathers out of the equation). The last time I looked (a couple of years ago), EG charged GBP 180.00
    (USD 300.00). This price might have gone up in the meantime. In the old days, when a pair of shoes was GBP 10.00, a refurbishing job would have been GBP 2.95 (or 2 pounds, 19 shilling as it was back then). G&G's prices for a refurbishing will be within similar figures as the prices EG and JLP charge at present. Yes, with Airmail shipping to-and-fro you are not likely to get a lot of change out of USD 500.00



    Bespoke (fully hand-made) shoes will be considerably more expensive than bench-made (factory-made) shoes. I presume the cost for resoling JLL, Cleverley, G&G bespoke shoes will be north of GBP 500. The shoes will be returned to the same 'maker' who has made the shoes in the first place (presuming he still works for the company) and the job will be done entirely by hand (with no sanding wheels in sight).

    Yes, you can get the job done elsewhere for considerably less money: the job might be well-done, the job might be botched. You pays your money, takes your choice. If you have a Patek watch, any repair, let alone a revision, carried out in Geneva will set you back serious money.
     
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  12. fritzl

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    this was the prize for luk-cha, period. probably he got a better tariff.
     
  13. JonathanCWalker

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    Looking at buying my 1st pair of Deco's what can anyone suggest that looks good made up?

    My thoughts so far are the "Bates" in Vintage Oak or "Bowlly" in Vintage Oak. Has anyone got / seen these made up or can suggest anything else.

    My current wardrobe consists off:

    Kent - Black and Black suede
    Grant - Vintage Oak
    Nice - Vintage Oak
    Nice - Brandy Calf
     
  14. joshuadowen

    joshuadowen Well-Known Member

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    While either of those makeups would look lovely, why not add some variety to your wardrobe? There are a lot of nice browns besides Vintage Oak.
     
  15. JonathanCWalker

    JonathanCWalker Well-Known Member

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    What can you suggest? I've only ever seen Vintage Oak made up and love them!
     
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    LeJouvre: if you're willing to risk it, you can try resoling at some cordwainer's apprentice. This won't be as cheap as some local cobbler shop, but at least the apprentice will most likely know his/her methods.
     
  17. DerekS

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    a quick teaser pic.....
    [​IMG]
     
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    I find this both incomprehensible and to some extent even hypocritical.

    The substance, and more disingenuously, the implication that using sanding wheels is somehow inferior or declasse' is astounding especially coming from people who bridle at the suggestion that GY construction (entirely dependent on machine work) is flawed by comparison to hand welting.

    The fact is...in shoemaking, in any Trade (as anyone who has ever worked with his hands will, if honest, tell you)...when the scraps are swept up if the results are the same or even (rarely ) objectively, better when using a machine there is no harm, no foul. Ultimately, a sewing machine is just a tool.

    To the extent, in certain contexts, that the machine becomes such a dominant part of the process that the operator is no longer is required or able to affect the outcome, or bring any level of creativity to bear, yes, it is dehumanizing and ultimately produces unsatisfactory results.

    But the object of any Trade/Craft is to produce the best product possible with the resources available. And it begins...unlike the factory context...with the assumption that that the human being is the ultimate, most adaptable, most creative, most precious resource.

    It is foolish, in my opinion, to glorify makers or techniques simply for the sake of bragging rights--and, and more importantly, it betrays any real insights or intimate experience in the process.

    Parenthetically...and just for perspective...what is not being said in much of this is that in many European countries...Hungary, England, come to mind, the most reknown shoemakers don't even make the entire shoe themselves. They "farm out" the uppers. So the assertion that no machines are used is really an exercise in denial. Because the uppers are almost certainly sewn on a machine...by someone else--as if the "maker" doesn't know how to do that work him/herself.

    I don't personally have a problem with that as long as the maker or outworker is in control of the process and the results but I do find it a bit disturbing to mislead the public.

    It is the objective, rational, mechanical results that count. In competent hands...the hands of a dedicated sheomaker such as Anthony Delos, for instance... sanding wheels will not materially affect the results.
     
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  19. Sir F

    Sir F Well-Known Member

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    Derek, even the dog wants you to open it now!
     
  20. DerekS

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    forgot i didnt post a pic here hahaha.

    Hoves on the DG70 last.
     

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