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Gaydar

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by von Rothbart, Jul 8, 2007.

  1. JLibourel

    JLibourel Well-Known Member

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    that is just one argument as to the possible genetic benifits of homosexuality - basically the idea is that if you have 5 siblings, and one of them doesn't breed, you have an additional adult working to help feed and take care of the kids.

    I read about this idea in an article that discussed reasons why some family unit in the animal world seem to be set up like this.


    I am well aware that among certain species of animals that live in family groups, only the alpha pair is allowed to breed and that aunts and uncles and siblings may protect the young, thereby ensuring their own genetic continuity in an indirect manner. For instance, year ago I read an interesting book by a German woman about African Dwarf Mongooses that had that kind of family arrangement. I don't know if this is the case among any primate species. I certainly don't know of any human society at any stage of development wherein the hypothetical "gay uncle" would have conferred a survival benefit, thus ensuring the transmission of a possibly recessive "gay" gene or genetic complex. In any event, in contemporary human society, any biological advantages of the "gay" gene(s) would have been lost long ago, and one would assume under Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection that it would have been bred out of the gene pool.

    Although I know that contemporary doctrine holds that homosexuality is strictly genetically predetermined, I remain skeptical.

    It is frequently argued that no-one would "choose" to be gay, but in point of fact, it is not uncommon for individuals who have seemingly functioned in the heterosexual world--had long-term marriages, had children, etc.--to suddenly throw it over and "come out" as gays. One could comprehend this in the past when gays had to "closet" themselves to avoid stigma and persecution, but these events are not uncommon in the present era and in liberal jurisdicitions where there would be far fewer deterrents to proclaiming oneself gay. The father of John Walker Lind ("Taliban John") is a good case in point. I have known of a couple of similar cases among men I've known personally.

    Before the notion that homosexuality was strictly a genetic-biological matter became the established dogma, it was generally believed that it was the result of complex psychological factors. I still think there may be something to this (as does my wife, who has a couple of advanced degrees in the behavioral sciences). Admittedly, some of the older theories were pretty crackpot: For example, a popular book of the 1950s "The Homosexual Matrix" argued that the scenario most likely to turn a boy gay were the combination of a weak or absent father and a domineering, strong-willed mother. Since I never had a father courtesy of WWII and my mother had a will of iron, if that theory had any validity, I should be so gay I'd make Carson Kressly look like a two-fisted, John Wayne-type he-man by comparison!
     
  2. tiecollector

    tiecollector Well-Known Member

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    Tiecollector, what do you think of gay, fat Mexican women who make clothes out of old bras?

    I would think they make better tacos than burritos.
     
  3. GoSurface

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    Then it is as I feared. The NSA is already after you.

    I'll just pretend I'm one of my sisters. They'll never know, girlfriend.
     
  4. globetrotter

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    I certainly don't know of any human society at any stage of development wherein the hypothetical "gay uncle" would have conferred a survival benefit, thus ensuring the transmission of a possibly recessive "gay" gene or genetic complex. In any event, in contemporary human society, any biological advantages of the "gay" gene(s) would have been lost long ago, and one would assume under Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection that it would have been bred out of the gene pool.



    again, I am not a genetisist, but my understanding is that the time frame represented by modern human society is not enough to have really effected any traits developed by evolution - we are genetically identical to our ansestors who lived in small clans and struggled to make fire.


    - I honestly don't knwo. I think that the studies that link it to womb enviroment are very interesting, but I wouldn't rule out any other possiblity.


    I find it hard to believe that a man wakes up one day and wants to suck cock. I am convinced that those people who "become" gay were gay to begin with. but that is a personal belief.
     
  5. tiecollector

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    not at all - evolution deals with genes, not individuals. if an argument can be made than having a gay family member promotes the genes (for instance, having a gay uncle means that every family has an additional adult male giving support) then it in no way contridicts darwinism.

    Wouldn't it just be easier to produce a sterile male, instead of a "gay" one. XX is female, XY is male, XXY is male, but often sterile, or so I seem to remember reading.
     
  6. Saucemaster

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    So, actually, since the military was thinking of building a "gay bomb" for a while, shouldn't they already have this researched? I mean, how else would they know whether the gay bomb worked? I think it's time for the Pentagon to come clean.
     
  7. lawyerdad

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    I find it hard to believe that a man wakes up one day and wants to suck cock.


    Unfortunately, rumor has it there are women who also don't wake up every morning wanting to do this. Clearly evolution screwed up there, no?
    [​IMG]
     
  8. tiecollector

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    I find it hard to believe that a man wakes up one day and wants to suck cock. I am convinced that those people who "become" gay were gay to begin with. but that is a personal belief.

    What I had thought, many gays don't actually engage in crazy ritualistic poop chute escapades and the like.

    I would assume most the guys who just come out one day out of the blue have some sort of psychological issue.
     
  9. GQgeek

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    you gays are given way too many perks by society as it is [​IMG]


    You mean like dick? Ed, tell the truth, this is your chance to finally stop living a lie.
     
  10. GoSurface

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    So, actually, since the military was thinking of building a "gay bomb" for a while, shouldn't they already have this researched? I mean, how else would they know whether the gay bomb worked? I think it's time for the Pentagon to come clean.

    If there's going to be an expose´ it needs to be on Jenny Jones. I wanna see burly black drill Sgts send Pentagon officials to bootcamp.
     
  11. globetrotter

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    Wouldn't it just be easier to produce a sterile male, instead of a "gay" one. XX is female, XY is male, XXY is male, but often sterile, or so I seem to remember reading.

    good question. one that I don't have an aswer for.
     
  12. LA Guy

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    I have long thought that if homosexuality is a genetically transmitted, immutable trait, as contemporary "enlightened" doctrine maintains, then ipso facto, this proves the Darwinian theory of Natural Selection wrong--far more than the cleversilly arguments of the Creationists!

    Actually, homosexuality serves sociological purposes. For example, it is a good form of natural population control, for obvious reasons. Homosexual activity has been exhibited at greater frequency in mice when they are subjected to crowded living conditions. There are other, considerably more controversial findings as well.

    Edit I thought it necessary to add that if crowded living conditions are a stressor for homosexual tendencies, than those afraid that they might be predisposed to having homosexual tendencies would do well to move to Montana... or Idaho... [​IMG]
     
  13. JLibourel

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    Actually, homosexuality serves sociological purposes. For example, it is a good form of natural population control, for obvious reasons. Homosexual activity has been exhibited at greater frequency in mice when they are subjected to crowded living conditions. There are other, considerably more controversial findings as well.

    Don't mice subjected to crowded living conditions resort to cannibalism rather readily as well?

    And has being gay ever enhanced human survival in any societies that we know of? I seem to recall that even in enlightened, tolerant America, gay men die at a considerably younger average age than straight men and that this was true even prior to the outbreak of AIDS.
     
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    Don't mice subjected to crowded living conditions resort to cannibalism rather readily as well?

    Maybe the gay mouse blows the other mouse before he eats him?
     
  15. amerikajinda

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    I know a guy who turned gay because his piano teacher molested him and his daddy ignored him as a child - he suffered from a "father deficit" -- now he's undergoing some sort of Primal Therapy in California (evidently he screams and cries a lot) and he's trying to become an "ex-gay" but he keeps "acting out" with male escorts (seeking the daddy he never had). I feel sorry for him because he's obviously conflicted... he doesn't want to be gay (finds the anonymous sex lifestyle empty and unfulfilling), yet he can't help who he is. Sad, really... he's just not in to women, even though he had sex with one when he was in high school.
     
  16. LabelKing

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    I know a guy who turned gay because his piano teacher molested him and his daddy ignored him as a child - he suffered from a "father deficit" -- now he's undergoing some sort of Primal Therapy in California (evidently he screams and cries a lot) and he's trying to become an "ex-gay" but he keeps "acting out" with male escorts (seeking the daddy he never had). I feel sorry for him because he's obviously conflicted... he doesn't want to be gay (finds the anonymous sex lifestyle empty and unfulfilling), yet he can't help who he is. Sad, really... he's just not in to women, even though he had sex with one when he was in high school.

    Is this one of those insidiously absurd Church de-Haggardization Groups?
     
  17. lawyerdad

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    I know a guy who turned gay because his piano teacher molested him and his daddy ignored him as a child - he suffered from a "father deficit" -- now he's undergoing some sort of Primal Therapy in California (evidently he screams and cries a lot) and he's trying to become an "ex-gay" but he keeps "acting out" with male escorts (seeking the daddy he never had). I feel sorry for him because he's obviously conflicted... he doesn't want to be gay (finds the anonymous sex lifestyle empty and unfulfilling), yet he can't help who he is. Sad, really... he's just not in to women, even though he had sex with one when he was in high school.

    He probably just needs someone qualified to help him find truly hot Asian women. [​IMG]
     
  18. redcaimen

    redcaimen Well-Known Member

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    He probably just needs someone qualified to help him find truly hot Asian women. [​IMG]

    Can a confused caucasian be turned straight by an asian girl he just thinks is hot?
     
  19. lawyerdad

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    Can a confused caucasian be turned straight by an asian girl he just thinks is hot?

    Sure, he obviously just hasn't met the right girl yet.
     
  20. amerikajinda

    amerikajinda Well-Known Member

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    Is this one of those insidiously absurd Church de-Haggardization Groups?

    I believe so... it started a few decades ago... here's more about it:

    http://www.primaltherapy.com

    "Repressed pain divides the self in two and each side wars with the other. One is the real self, loaded with needs and pain that are submerged; the other is the unreal self that attempts to deal with the outside world by trying to fulfill unmet needs with neurotic habits or behaviors such as obsessions or addictions."
     

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