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FRIDAY CHALLENGE - JULY 29, 2016 - LOCAL CHALLENGE

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by RoSaCe, Jul 26, 2016.

Who rocked the show?

Poll closed Aug 2, 2016.
  1. Sycsyc

    5 vote(s)
    22.7%
  2. Claghorn

    8 vote(s)
    36.4%
  3. Claghorn's Derek's cowboy

    4 vote(s)
    18.2%
  4. Prince of Paisley

    5 vote(s)
    22.7%
  5. Diplomatic tie

    4 vote(s)
    18.2%
  6. Mr Knightley

    6 vote(s)
    27.3%
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  1. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Well-Known Member

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    He needs all the attention for himself, Derk.
     
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  2. Claghorn

    Claghorn Well-Known Member

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    I did own a cowboy hat

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  3. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Well-Known Member

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    I own two.
     
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  4. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Well-Known Member

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    I'm a big believer in supporting local manufacturers and designers where I can if the product is good. Case in point is my waxed cotton moto jacket from Burke & Wills. Yes I could have bought a Barbour like everyone else, or even a Belstaff if I had more money than sense, but these are handmade in Victoria, Australia and, in my opinion, every bit as well made. Actually, the waxed cotton is 12oz which is a fair bit more heavy duty than even the heaviest Barbours.

    I don't think you can get Burke & Wills products anywhere else in the world; they are actually quite hard to find in Australia as they don't make very many jackets, don't have much of an online shop, and they are quite popular.

    For those of you not up on your Australian history, Burke & Wills were a couple of nutters in the 1800s who decided it would be a good idea to walk to the far north of Australia, starting from Melbourne - a distance of about 2,000 miles through uncharted, inhospitable territory.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, they died on the way back.

    But their name lives on as a small company here produces waxed cotton swags and jackets under the BW brand. Here I'm wearing one of their moto jackets with a pair of custom storm welt boots from the slightly better known Australian bush outfitter RM Williams...

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  5. eagleman

    eagleman Well-Known Member

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    I'm from Tennessee myself...... Find some boots, cowboy hat, and a Jack Daniels t-shirt. Or a suit borrowed from Porter Waggoner. [​IMG]
     
  6. DerekS

    DerekS Well-Known Member

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    im getting ideas. My dad has a few pieces by the guy who made porter's suits (manuel) sparkly as fuck.
     
  7. DiplomaticTies

    DiplomaticTies Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately the pictures are of poor quality but since I thought the challenge was an interesting one I participate anyway. I give you:"The Swedish wrist".

    Sweden has slowly become a serious player in the menswear arena. In the SWD part of the forum you will find plenty of Swedish brands but over the last decade or so we've seen more and more CM as well. The problem, in the context of this challenge, is that most of it has no particular Swedish or even Nordic style. Most clothes are not produced in Sweden but rather in Italy (the high end stuff) or Portugal and the Baltic states. The general look for most of it is heavily influenced by Italy. One exception is leather goods where we have a very long tradition. Unfortunately I dont have anything with me where I am now, but I have seen others in the forum with Swedish leather goods.

    On the "Swedish wrist" we have an Eton shirt from their top line, DNA, the only line of Eton shirts that are actually made in Sweden. The watch "Tusenö" comes from an absolutely new kickstarter project. The name translates as "Thousand Islands" and is a reference to the archipelago outside of Gothenburg, where the company started. The two bead bracelets are from Viola Milano. If I'm not mistaken Viola Milano started as a Swedish brand but now it's Swedish/Dutch. I have to be honest and say that when they started I thought their stuff were overpriced, but I have to say that especially their ties have become better and better since they invested in their own factory in Italy. Now they justify their pricetag.

    But even if I like the items that I have listed so far it is difficult to argue that there is something uniquely Swedish about them. That is not the case with the last item, which is a Sami bracelet. Sami are of course the indigenous people we find in the far north of Sweden, Norway and Finland, with a small community in Russia as well. The bracelet was made by Sara Björne and is an update of a traditional design. Normally a bracelet like this would be made in the traditional, heavy, blue wool fabrics that the Sami favour. This was instead made in denim. The use of metal thread as decoration is an ancient Sami tradition, in this case she has used copper thread. The button is made from reindeer horn. Unfortunately their website is confusing in English with a lot of mistranslations, but worth checking out anyway.
     
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  8. DerekS

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  9. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Well-Known Member

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    Kind of like how there was no particular (edible?) Nordic cuisine until fairly recently?
     
  10. DiplomaticTies

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    Exaggerated, but not entirely untrue. But that goes for most western countries. European food culture has its roots in the cuisines of only a few countries like Italy and France. Traditional food in most other European countries is either very heavy or very simple, or both. We were saved by the french and italians and then later on by non-European cuisines. Thank god for that. Ironically all rankings of the best restaurants in the world today include a huge number of Nordic restaurants. Many of them claim to work within a Nordic tradition and serve things like moss with elderberry infused reindeer cheeks with salt extracted from seaweed. Nobody in any Nordic country have ever eaten things like that before. They ate herring and potatoes.

    The interesting thing with Swedish (and Nordic) design is that we have an extremely strong and easily identifiable tradition in areas like architecture, interiour design, arts & crafts etc. But even if there are a large number of successful Nordic fashion designers, it's more difficult to identify a "Nordic look". Maybe with the exception of a few designers of womens clothes like Marimekko in Finland. Dont know why though.
     
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  11. gs77

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    If you are referring to Noma, the guy is Albanian, born in Macedonia.

    I wouldn't agree with that most European cuisines draw from French or Italian. Lot of the stuff were completely unknown in (Western) Europe before Turkish conquests. Whole Panonian (I.e. Hungarian) style is another story.

    I always remember once, in my hometown of Belgrade, after ton of food, my colleague (German from Stuttgart) mentioned German cuisine. We all looked at him, and asked "What cuisine?".... Uh, good that we were drunk :)
     
  12. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Well-Known Member

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    Do you think Nordic chefs (among which I count Rene Redzepi) were able to innovate precisely because they had little fine dining food culture to hold them back?
     
  13. DiplomaticTies

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    We are perhaps getting a bit off topic here, but I wasn't referring solely to Noma. There are a number of restaurants in Denmark, Norway and Sweden right now that are regulars on the different "best of" lists. But of course Noma broke new ground. Btw, René Redzepi, the head chef of Noma, is Danish. His father was born in Macedonia, but René was born in Denmark and his manifesto for Noma has always been to create "The New Nordic" cuisine.

    Agree that there are other influences as well of course. But I would stick to my original point that for a vast majority of European countries the influence from Italy and France is very strong.
     
  14. DiplomaticTies

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    I think its easier for a Nordic chef to take influences from all over the world and try to break new ground than it would be for a chef from one of the major cuisines. We don't have that many sacred cows(!) to slaughter. If a French chef breaks tradition he will be criticised. If a Swedish chef breaks tradition we are relieved.

    That's probably why there are so many successful British chefs right now as well...
     
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  15. gs77

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    Rene did spend large chunk of his childhood in Macedonia. Macedonia has a very rich cuisine based on Oriental and Mediterranean influences. But OK, your and mine definition of nationality differs. That's OK.

    French and Italians (or whatever they were called at that time) were eating crap before they adopted Oriental influences. Those came from Turks, Arabs and Jews.
     
  16. DiplomaticTies

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    Our view of nationality might differ but it doesnt really matter. I think it's obvious if you read anything Rene has written or said in interviews that his focus has always been nordic cuisine. I've been to Noma a couple of times and I think it's difficult to detect any Macedonian influences there. Which doesnt mean that Macedonia lack a rich cuisine.

    Agree on the second point. Particularly for France. But it was the french and Italian adaptions of these influences that spread to many other countries in Europe, especially up north. We didn't get it from the source, we got the "frenchified" version.
     
  17. Mr Knightley

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    So, back to the Challenge - but I shall touch on cooking!

    I live in the county of Essex in SE England. As CM has already noted, if you live in England you should be spoiled for choice in this Challenge. That is indeed true and looking at my own modest wardrobe, I suppose I could have chosen from T&A, John Smedley or from one of my recent bespoke pieces from a tailor based in my own county. But I wanted to find something truly local to my own little corner of the world.

    So, I am wearing a tie by Van Buck. Who?

    Van Buck - were established in 1976 and now deal with over 300 independent shops and stores within the UK and Europe. They also ship to many individual customers around the world.

    Van Buck is a second generation family-run business. Founded by Peter Rayner and Tim Buckman in the 1970's, their factory and office is located in a small village in Sible Hedingham, Essex, which lies about 15 miles from my home. Fabrics are purchased from weavers and printers from around the world, including England, Scotland, Italy, Germany, America and Asia. They have been manufacturers of fine English neckwear for the past 25 years. Some of their clients have included Buckingham Palace, Lotus Cars and the Essex County Cricket Team.

    Coes Menswear and Maldon - Van Buck originally began by offering Sale or Return to shops and stores, whereby the retailer would only pay for what they sell. With economic pressures on the High Street, this practice is still popular today. My own tie came from a local branch of a shop called Coes Menswear. This is an Ipswich-based emporium with three other branches including one five miles from me in a town called Maldon on the River Blackwater estuary.

    One of the oldest towns in the area - it was once plundered by the Vikings when they beat the Saxons at the Battle of Maldon in 991AD - Maldon grew as a town based on trading and specialist trades, mainly for the London markets. Maldon Sea Salt, for example, has recently acquired a Royal Warrant from the Queen.

    Collaboration - Returning to Van Buck, when I wore this tie a week or so ago, I realised it is one I rarely wear (and the only Van Buck item I own). A glance at their website will show they are not for everyone – their unique products are often rather smooth and shiny with strident colours and patterns. That is where Coes Menswear come in, by selecting more conservative, muted designs, which appeal to the customers of their quiet, Essex location. I hope this was of interest, gentlemen.

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  18. Academic2

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    Sorry, I'm on holidays in a very small part of French countryside with no internet and a very low mobile connection. But, we've got wine, a swimming pool and a very good local butcher, so it's ok, I'll try to survive this week (even though I couldn't find any Pokemon in the neighborhood)

    Any way, POLL IS UP and will end on Monday evening
     
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  20. nabilmust

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    Ah bollocks. Missed the deadline.

    :(

    I'll leave the entirely-made-in-singapore outfit here just for posterity. I would have included details in spoilers but can't find that feature on mobile.

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