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Formula 1 - F1 - Current Season Discussion

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by idfnl, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    As a huge Hamilton fan, I was a tad demoralized weekend.
    12 second pitstops FTL.

    I'm waiting for the top runners to completely giving up on qualifying, and starting from the back of the pack with all fresh tires.
     
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    Schumacher's race showed it's not doable. And why do that when people like rosberg and vettel can win from pole?
     
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    It can't be as bad as the 2005 season when half the grid couldn't race because they had defective Michelin tires while the other half on Bridgestone could.

    But I do have to say the results have been pretty wild and qualifying in the top six places means very little this season.
     
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    Agreed. These Pirellis are certainly a double edged sword. They make for some great racing, but are forcing the drivers to be less aggressive per Schumi's comments, he's right. Vettel's secret last season was opening the race with a couple of quali laps and then keeping a 3 - 5 second lead all race. He tried that Sunday and it pretty much failed... Kimi caught him and should have passed.
     
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    Weird people complaining about races that for once aren't predictable. I still hate the DRS and wonder what the races would be like without them but jesus, F1 fans love to complain. I suppose a tire war with still heavily limited testing would be a middle ground but who knows people will start whining that the races are now determined by the teams with the best tire...:rolleyes:
     
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    Thought it was one of the better races so far. Feel bad for Mcclaren. Just couldn't pull it together at all. Glad Jensen got some points though. Was really hoping for a Kimi win.
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17816565

    By Gary Anderson, BBC F1 technical analyst. Makes some very informed pertinent points, especially with regards to Schumi and his tyre bitchin'.

     
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    You're both right. I dont know why I am complaining. I guess I just like to see drivers going all out every lap, sliding the car, allowing for some abuse. Now the successful drivers are the ones that tiptoe around the circuit. Button, Perez, Di Resta, Vettel. Senna would shake his head at this.

    The stuff about Schumacher and tires is true, he had special Bridgestones nobody else had, I would bet even his teammate. He shouldnt point fingers at the supplier.
     
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    No. Senna surely hated the high tech gizmos of his era (active suspensions, ABS, TC, etc.) but I find it hard to believe he'd hate the challenge of best his competitors on driving skill (like how to drive fast while looking after your tires). You seem to forget that this was a big part of F1 racing in the 80s...

    Schumacher is complaining because he can't seem to find a way to unlock their potential. He's barely scored points and his teammate scored Mercedes first win. Simple, just another year of mediocrity (for now), so why not put to spotlight on Pirelli? It's pretty sad because it makes him sound like Jarno Trulli.
     
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    Partly true, but the tires in the 80's were much more forgiving than they are now. And lasted 1/2 the race on full tanks. In addition, you could set a fastest lap in the 80's with tires at half life. Today's tire is guaranteed to be half a second off the pace by half life.

    I agree schumi is whining, but I also agree we are seeing less aggressive driving because of tire degradation. You must at least concede that point.

    Ha ha, Trulli and his power steering. Reminds me of this from '89:


    [VIDEO][/VIDEO]
     
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    Senna, Donnington 1993. That is all...
     
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    Wow, Maldonado. What a surprise.

    5 races, 5 winners, 5 teams. Quite an incredible season. Williams didnt score a point last season and now they win a race. Truly amazing.

    Williams looked to have been going the way of Tyrell -when the old man hangs on too long, but credit, they put some new faces on engineering side and look.
     
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    I wonder how many different ways McLaren can find to lose races for their drivers...
     
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    Demoting Hamilton to the back of the grid! Too harsh. Ten place penalty at worst.
     
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    Great race. Very happy for Williams and Pastor Maldonado. Too bad about the fire that ripped apart their garage afterwards.

    News: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99605


    Damage here looks mostly like smoke and water damage.
    Picture: [​IMG]

    Video:
     
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    The most intriguing portions of the race for me were the last ten laps when McLaren and Red Bull woke up and started trying to get into points. Certainly it's a far cry from last year when they were often fighting for places 1-4.

    But at least this season we won't be ordaining a winner before the final race although I agree with the above comments that the tire situation is making the results far more erratic than it ought to be. Schumacher and Rosberg just sitting out Q3 to save tires is a disturbing trend. Getting pole is less important.
     
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    Quite true. What exactly was the story behind the demotion?
     
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    Definitely. Watching Alonso try to and catch Maldonado up was brilliant. If Raikonnen had 1 more lap he'd of had Alonso.
     
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    Hamilton stopped on track after his quali lap. He did something similar in Canada 2010 (?) because if he'd driven the rest of the lap, he wouldn't have had the 1 liter of fuel left in the tank for scrutineering as mandated. The FIA has since closed that loophole.

    Yesterday, he had 1.3L left when he stopped, and McLaren tried to argue that there was something wrong with the car which caused them to tell Hamilton to stop on track. The FIA wasn't buying it (rightly so because problem or no, he would have been under 1L by the time he reached parc ferme), so to the back he went. I think a more appropriate punishment would have been a loss of five or ten places.
     

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