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Formula 1 - F1 - Current Season Discussion

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by idfnl, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    Yup, it was a fairly dominant performance. Raikonnen was equal to the McLaren in race trip on lower fuel loads but the McLaren was the complete package all weekend.

    Love seeing that bitch Alonso lower in the order. Didnt expect this circuit to suit the McLaren, I thought this was a Red Bull weekend.

    Nice to see Maldonado fairly penalized. By the way, has the ever been a weaker driver in F1 than Narain Karthikeyan? He's like a anchor on ever timesheet.
     
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    sugarbutch Well-Known Member

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    How long have you been following F1? There were a ton of Minardi drivers pre-107% rule who make Karthikeyan look like a genius. As far as I'm concerned, if they can qualify within 107% of the fastest guy, then they deserve a modicum of respect. No more than that, but at least that.

    I'd love to see F1 get rid of the requirement that every team participate in every race. I loved the concept of pre-qualifying.
     
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    I've been watching since the mid-80's. I wasnt going back that far but ya, there were some serious 3 legged dogs back then. I guess I mean in the last decade. If I were to dive back before 2000, though, I can only come up with names that were equally bad. Karthikeyan is so bad even the INDIAN TEAM, FORCE INDIA wont bother with him, ffs. He cant even out qualify old man river De La Rosa.

    Pre qualifying allowed for more teams on the grid but the sport it just too expensive to lug all that shit around the world and not even race.
     
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    HRT knows the only way they'll get a championship point is if the field retires.
    Tough way to wake up in the morning.

    Saying that, you guys remember when Senna was racing for Toleman? Horrible team, but he made the difference.

    I always wonder how Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso etc. would do racing for a team like HRT.
     
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    It was before my time, but that Senna documentary chronicled his insane performance at Monaco in the rain for Toelman. Most believe that Donnington '93 was his best race, this was a much more incredible performance.



    [VIDEO][/VIDEO]



    You can actually see the entire race here:


    [VIDEO][/VIDEO]
     
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    Pre-qualifying only existed because there were too many cars and too few grid slots. As the number of teams/cars declined the need to pre-qualifying also declined.

    Re Karthikeyan - I actually think he's a decent driver. The caliber of drivers these days is incredible. Surely, he no Alonso or even Massa but I don't think he's shitty. De La Rosa is quite good as well just nothing special.

    Anyway, good Hungary GP. Not a ton of overtakes but great battle between Kimi and Hamilton. The rest of the season should be incredible.
     
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    The long wait for SPA.
    My absolute favorite track.

    I thought I remembered something fishy with the DRS last year, and sure enough:
    "The FIA banned the use of DRS through the Eau Rouge corner, since drivers had raised safety concerns similar to those held at Monaco. The overtaking aid was not permitted between the entrance to the La Source hairpin and the top of the hill after Eau Rouge. The DRS zone for the race was from Raidillon, along the Kemmel Straight until Les Combes."

    I don't know about you, but I want to see some extremely dangerous overtaking via Eau Rouge!

    Also, Pirelli have decided to run the hard compound in the next few races... Good for McLaren IMO.
     
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    ^^ Spa! That overtake move Webber pulled on Alonso last year, mind blowing.
     
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    luca badoer > or < karthikeyan ? ;)

    haven't been here in awhile! Been catching up on my races....and in doing so, I caught a glimpse of the Sartorialist on pitlane!
    [​IMG]


    I'm a HUGE Hamilton fan and was def happy with his win! Wasn't easy though. I feel the team's strategy for Button could have been abit better, regardless, I think he is in better form now.

    Also very happy for a great finish for Senna! Glad he was out performing his douchey teammate. I just really do not like Maldonado....surprised the driver's haven't got together to talk to him about his on-track antics.
     
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    Would take Badoer.

    While the level of driving is much better at the moment, its ridiculous how much slower Karthikeyan is than everyone. He's a pay driver. Tata Motors pays his salary.
     
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    Interesting read as to why Merc has been teh suckage:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19064856


    Also:

    And Paddy knows his stuff
     
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    Great article about Merc.... thats for posting that


    Anyone care to explain what a pull rod is? I understand push rod.
     
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    Interesting problem for Mercedes. Similar attempt at innovation hurt Lotus last year. Anyone mind explaining the benefits of pull rod over push rod? Why was it abandoned for so long and what has changed to make some teams consider it again?
     
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    Ah, so the FIA can ban it now!

    Love scarbs work.
     
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    Red Bull's been using pull-rod on the rear since 2009. The use in the rear is different than what Scarbs reports for the front. In the rear, it's to make room for the diff and the diffuser, so they can have the best aero shape. Scarbs talks about Red Bull's use of it, as well as more generally, the advantages and disadvantages of it:

    http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2011/04/07/red-bull-pull-rod-suspension-detailed/
    http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2010/10/1...t-is-looks-like-how-it-benefits-aerodynamics/

    The year that Brawn won the championship with its double diffuser, the Red Bull was pretty notable in how wasp-waisted the rear of its body work was --- it looked like it went down to a point at the rear, and was much more elegant looking than the rest of the field. The RB car was also the only car that could keep up with the Brawns.

    It's "pull", because when the wheel is in bump (ie. hits a bump and moves up), the rod pulls on the suspension. Push rods push on the suspension when the wheel is in bump. Both work just as well for controlling wheel motion. It comes down to packaging which one you use.
     
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    Thanks for that A Y! Good suspension tech reads.



    http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/101785

    He fails even when he's not racing.
     
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    Found vid:

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    Ha, saw that before. It befuddles me because bumpy surface or not, he was the only one (asfaik) to have that problem.
     
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