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F******* hilditch!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ernest, Jul 17, 2004.

  1. HRHAndrew

    HRHAndrew Well-Known Member

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    I think it is impossible to waste a vote, as it still is counted. It is just that the person you voted for may not have won. I doubt all the people who voted for Gore in the last election thought their vote was wasted. I vote for who I think is the best for the job, I will never vote for someone because they have the best chance to beat the person I hate the most. That is a radically unamerican sentiment if you ask me.
     
  2. STYLESTUDENT

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    I'd take it to a professional laundry and ask for a light press. If you wash it yourself, you will have to iron it yourself again, which, to put it mildly, has proven less than successful. Shine, on shirts or even on wool, is difficult to remove-it's a form of wear.

    If your shirts are restored, perhaps you'll have less need to use profanity. Good Luck.
     
  3. ken

    ken Well-Known Member

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    Politicians look at who else got votes. I vote libertarian all the time because, hopefully, whoever does get elected will say, "Hey, a whole slew of these darned Americans want to be free. Maybe I'd better enact some legislation that will please them so next time they'll vote for ME."
     
  4. justlurkingthanks

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    1. On my more difficult shirts I will iron only the back of the collar and the front comes out looking just dandy -- sometimes with just a quick touchup. Lots of steam -- light touch.

    2. I pardon your French.

    3. I predict Bush will be re-elected. It seems Bush would have to be caught in a compromising position with a dead boy for the American people to do otherwise. Then, Bush will be able to complete bringing on the Armageddon. It is really the only explanation for his policies.

    I guess that would put this whole collar thing in perspective.
     
  5. ernest

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    You are right, i was desperate.

    Nerverytheless, Renault tip works very well, I manage to iron in 2 minutes... thanks.

    For the shiny fabrics, I find a tip one the web which is called to be guaranted : wet a rag with white vinegar and iron this this rag
     
  6. j

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    (Since no one can kick me off, I get to hijack the thread, so I will answer this.)

    This is good logic, but my own logic is more like HRHAndrew's: I will not vote for the lesser of two evils, for it is still a vote for evil. I have no delusions that my vote will count; I would probably lay 1000-1 odds that my state will go to Kerry. However, I still find fault with those who would vote for Bush because for all the evil he's done he is still "better" than Kerry. In my opinion, a vote for Bush is a vote against America and the ideals it was founded on. [Edit: For the record, I feel the same way about a vote for Kerry.] I'm not trying to start anything, (and if anyone wants to go at a political discussion in length I'd like it to move to the General forum), but a vote for a man (oligarchical group, more accurately) so venal and fascistic and with such contempt and disregard for people like my friends in the Army who are over killing and dying for Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown & Root, Raytheon, GE, and all the other war industry companies, is a vote for evil. Kerry offers no better choice in almost any way I can think of, in fact he may be worse. But to re-elect such a psychopath for whatever reason is itself insanity.

    /soapbox.

    P.s., by the way, anyone who thinks Bush cares whether you live or die or whether your kid gets sent to die for his cronies' profit, you are delusional and you should get that checked out. And from "his" (his handlers') track record and stated goals a Bush re-election poses the greatest threat of a draft, which may lead to internal strife you have never dreamed possible.
     
  7. ernest

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    (ken @ 18 July 2004, 08:58) Politicians look at who else got votes. I vote libertarian all the time because, hopefully, whoever does get elected will say, "Hey, a whole slew of these darned Americans want to be free. Maybe I'd better enact some legislation that will please them so next time they'll vote for ME."
    (Since no one can kick me off, I get to hijack the thread, so I will answer this.) This is good logic, but my own logic is more like HRHAndrew's: I will not vote for the lesser of two evils, for it is still a vote for evil. I have no delusions that my vote will count; I would probably lay 1000-1 odds that my state will go to Kerry. However, I still find fault with those who would vote for Bush because for all the evil he's done he is still "better" than Kerry. In my opinion, a vote for Bush is a vote against America and the ideals it was founded on. [Edit: For the record, I feel the same way about a vote for Kerry.] I'm not trying to start anything, (and if anyone wants to go at a political discussion in length I'd like it to move to the General forum), but a vote for a man (oligarchical group, more accurately) so venal and fascistic and with such contempt and disregard for people like my friends in the Army who are over killing and dying for Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown & Root, Raytheon, GE, and all the other war industry companies, is a vote for evil. Kerry offers no better choice in almost any way I can think of, in fact he may be worse. But to re-elect such a psychopath for whatever reason is itself insanity. /soapbox. P.s., by the way, anyone who thinks Bush cares whether you live or die or whether your kid gets sent to die for his cronies' profit, you are delusional and you should get that checked out. And from "his" (his handlers&#39[​IMG] track record and stated goals a Bush re-election poses the greatest threat of a draft, which may lead to internal strife you have never dreamed possible.
    Please stop with politics, this is a forum for families...
     
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  9. esquire.

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    ernest, j wrote " in fact, try to refrain from swearing at all." He was not just refering to using profanity in the topics, but to all responses. Next time, you'd get kicked off this board and then you used the f word once again.

    You're right. English must not be your second language.
     
  10. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Well-Known Member

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    I excuse Ernest's profanity and we should just let him alone (J., I respect your request for Ernest to stop, but I think people have gone overboard berating him for his H & K tirade; I'm guessing the treatment he's received is partly based on his penchant for inflammatory posts).

    But, just to put my word in on politics: Bush will lose. He is already going negative in his ads, and this is going to wear thin. Negative campaigning more times than not loses elections. At least his father had a platform when he ran -- and went negative -- against Dukakis. Bush II doesn't have any positive platform yet, and I doubt he'll ever have one.
     
  11. BjornH

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    To put things into international perspective I sort of expected a row after seeing ernest's subject line because I view this as an American board. In most other cultures I know nobody would bother to object but beeing familiar with American values I smelled trouble from the start. You have to understand that this is a very American thing to have a sore spot for swear words - I don't know of any country that has a tradition of 'beeping' during talk shows all the time to the cheers of the present audience. Give the guy some slack....

    B
     
  12. ernest

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    "try" does not mean manage at 100% and "refrain" is not as strong as must not...

    in TITLE...
     
  13. j

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    I understand, and I know it may be a Puritanical American thing, but in my opinion gentlemen do not swear in subject lines. [​IMG] I always remember Carlo's post about his daughter reading the forum with him and think I wouldn't want my own kids thinking swearing was acceptable. It's not that big of a deal but it should be known that it is not acceptable to me, and since the forum is a dictatorship that is all that counts. On politics, I honestly think that while Kerry is definitely the front runner at the moment, a "terrorist attack" may come along to conveniently derail the elections and/or rally the voters round the incumbents. Nevermind that to intelligent people the success of such an attack would only (further) prove incompetence; the average voter would probably be more likely to go for what they see as a "get-tough" attitude toward terrorists, which is what Bush has managed to cultivate. Remember, Kerry's "priorities are jobs and health care" (according to my local ads for him). We can continue this discussion but the next person who wants to reply to the politics stuff should start a topic in General.
     
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    (esquire. @ 18 July 2004, 12:35) ernest, j wrote " in fact, try to refrain from swearing at all." He was not just refering to using profanity in the topics, but to all responses. Next time, you'd get kicked off this board and then you used the f word once again. You're right. English must not be your second language.
    "try" does not mean manage at 100% and "refrain" is not as strong as must not... in TITLE...
    Ernest is right. Although I don't want to go into minutiae (and as forum dictator-for-life, I do not have to spell out my arbitrary policies), I mainly don't want swearing in the titles. Think of it like a magazine stand. In GQ or Esquire there is occasional swearing within the articles, but never on the cover.
     
  15. BjornH

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    Roger that. This was not tactfull of earnest but then again that's not his style, I guess. Regarding your rule I've said it before that this your your and Steve's kingdom and you are in full right to lay down any (consistent) rules and be as tyranincal as you like. It' up to us to either follow them or go to hell (i.e. GQ forum).

    B
     
  16. ernest

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    if kids should not hear swearing that implies they never watch on TV or see movies I have been told TV was very popular in US... where is the truth ?
     
  17. ernest

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    (ernest @ 18 July 2004, 1:30)
    ernest, j wrote " in fact, try to refrain from swearing at all." He was not just refering to using profanity in the topics, but to all responses. Next time, you'd get kicked off this board and then you used the f word once again. You're right. English must not be your second language.
    "try" does not mean manage at 100% and "refrain" is not as strong as must not... in TITLE...
    Ernest is right. Although I don't want to go into minutiae (and as forum dictator-for-life, I do not have to spell out my arbitrary policies), I mainly don't want swearing in the titles. Think of it like a magazine stand. In GQ or Esquire there is occasional swearing within the articles, but never on the cover.
    so in post (not title) I can say 'fuck' ?
     
  18. AJL

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    jn3-- I believe you are correct in that the backlash against Ernest's post is due at least in part to the confrontational nature of previous posts (live by the sword...etc). That being said, E's f-bomb header seems not in keeping with the general flavor of this forum, plain and simple. It is not so much a question of politics or prudishness, its just nice to go somewhere where the general level of discourse resides a notch above the norm. Words can be wonderful tools when used thoughtfully. I digress... As for GW, just hearing the man's voice has me reaching instinctively for the volume control. He is a mean-spirited, cynical, intellectually incurious little man who seems bent not on uniting but rather dividing, and ruling through fear-mongering and hatred. dictator Dic*ta"tor, n. [L.] 2. One invested with absolute authority; especially, a magistrate created in times of exigence and distress, and invested with unlimited power. Needless to say, I will not be voting for the beady-eyed little zealot come November . [​IMG] PS: What is The Importance of Being Ernest?
     
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    thanks to have noticed it.

    I never swear in english for the simple reason it is not my language so i have enough pain to explain what I want to say to lose time in adding swearings.
     
  20. imageWIS

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    (j @ 18 July 2004, 1:37)
    ernest, j wrote " in fact, try to refrain from swearing at all." He was not just refering to using profanity in the topics, but to all responses. Next time, you'd get kicked off this board and then you used the f word once again. You're right. English must not be your second language.
    "try" does not mean manage at 100% and "refrain" is not as strong as must not... in TITLE...

    Ernest is right. Although I don't want to go into minutiae (and as forum dictator-for-life, I do not have to spell out my arbitrary policies), I mainly don't want swearing in the titles. Think of it like a magazine stand. In GQ or Esquire there is occasional swearing within the articles, but never on the cover.
    so in post (not title) I can say 'fuck' ?
    You can write fuck, but not in the topic heading, which I think we can all forgo without any problems, plus the compromise of swearing inside the thread sounds reasonable (at least to me). Jon.
     

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