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Digital Cameras/Photography

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tokyo Slim, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. retronotmetro

    retronotmetro Well-Known Member

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    One can always purchase a digital back for a Hasselblad camera. They cost $20,000 each.

    Bogen makes the best tripods, and supports.
     
  3. Tokyo Slim

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    If I had $20,000 I wouldn't be using it to buy HALF a digital camera. (I'd probably buy a Virgin Mary grilled cheese sandwich instead)
     
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    Those types of things are usually bought by professionals who use film, and want to see the picture instantly.

    $20,000 isn't enough for that virtuous food product. How does one even search for these items, I wonder.
     
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    (Tokyo Slim @ 17 Nov. 2004, 7:03) If I had $20,000 I wouldn't be using it to buy HALF a digital camera. (I'd probably buy a Virgin Mary grilled cheese sandwich instead)
    Those types of things are usually bought by professionals who use film, and want to see the picture instantly. $20,000 isn't enough for that virtuous food product. How does one even search for these items, I wonder.
    Well I suppose if you are settling on HALF a camera you can settle on a third of that sandwhich... Or the Polaroid version of it which is going for 5 bucks on ebay as well... [​IMG] JJF
     
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    (T4phage @ 17 Nov. 2004, 10:07) Retro: That Epson beastie is almost double the price of the Leica, how can you justify that?
    That's easy: Â I don't have the cash for either, so it's only theoretical. [​IMG] But if I had cash to spend on cameras now, I'd rather have an R-D1 (APS sized CMOS chip, ISO up to 1600 with low noise, interchangeable lens) than the LC1 or Digilux (small-format chip, fixed zoom lens). Â I love to do selective-focus, narrow-DOF photos, which you can't effectively do on a small-format digital. Â Plus, imagine the ability to put classic LTM glass in front of a 6MP chip--or use a Noctilux at ISO1600 on an APS-sized chip.
    According to specs, it uses a CCD chip, like almost all other digitals. Also, ISO equiv. of 1600 sounds impressive, but a huge problem is that it starts of at an ISO equiv. of 200... Imagine the noise... But I do agree with you on the temptation to use all those M mount lenses on a digital....
     
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    I stand corrected on the chip type. But I wouldn't judge the noise until I see samples. From memory of past research I think the D100 and *ist-D use the same chip size with the same ISO range, and I don't remember seeing many noise complaints about those cameras. The larger SLR chips have lower noise than the small-format consumer digicams. That's one reason I would really like a digi-SLR--reduced noise. I'd rather have a low noise 6.1MP than a noisy 8MP. If the noise is low at 200, the only issue for me on the R-D1 would be the top shutter speed of 1/2000 preventing wide open shooting in daylight.
     
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    (retronotmetro @ 17 Nov. 2004, 7:46)
    Retro: That Epson beastie is almost double the price of the Leica, how can you justify that?
    That's easy: Â I don't have the cash for either, so it's only theoretical. [​IMG] But if I had cash to spend on cameras now, I'd rather have an R-D1 (APS sized CMOS chip, ISO up to 1600 with low noise, interchangeable lens) than the LC1 or Digilux (small-format chip, fixed zoom lens). Â I love to do selective-focus, narrow-DOF photos, which you can't effectively do on a small-format digital. Â Plus, imagine the ability to put classic LTM glass in front of a 6MP chip--or use a Noctilux at ISO1600 on an APS-sized chip.
    According to specs, it uses a CCD chip, like almost all other digitals. Â Also, ISO equiv. of 1600 sounds impressive, but a huge problem is that it starts of at an ISO equiv. of 200... Imagine the noise... But I do agree with you on the temptation to use all those M mount lenses on a digital....
    LTM mount is actually a screw thread mount which is not the mount for the M series.
     
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    Yes, but you can get LTM-to-M bayonet adapters pretty inexpensively. They even preserve RF coupling and bring up the framelines in the M viewfinder.

    If you don't have the cash for new M-mount lenses (raises hand) they are a great way to go.
     
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    (LabelKing @ 20 Nov. 2004, 12:00) LTM mount is actually a screw thread mount which is not the mount for the M series.
    Yes, but you can get LTM-to-M bayonet adapters pretty inexpensively. Â They even preserve RF coupling and bring up the framelines in the M viewfinder. Â If you don't have the cash for new M-mount lenses (raises hand) they are a great way to go.
    Yes, the cameraquest sells them. Although LTM lenses aren't exactly cheap as well. From a couple hundred to the thousands. Sometimes one sees an M-Mount Summicron for cheaper than a Barnack mount Summicron.
     
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    I'm a Nikon D70 owner. I've always used the Nikon system so i was able to use one of my AF lenses when i got the D70.

    I absolutely love it and as much as i enjoy shooting film, i really don't think i'll be going back, with the exception of my old Rollie 2 1/4.

    As mentioned by someone else. DPreview is fantastic and many people post pictures of samples and links to helpful resources.

    I'd also try Ebay for monopods and other equipment.

    Best,
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    I'm a professional photojournalist at a daily newspaper, and I just found this thread so I thought I would chime in.  As for the monopods, they are good, and almost a necessity when shooting sports with long lenses or when you don't feel like holding the camera all the time.  Plus, it gives you one level plane to balance the camera on which can help with composition and focusing.  But keep in mind, and I speak from personal experience here, when you buy a monopod, make it one with the twist type of adjustments, not the ones with the rotating cips or the ones that snap into place or similar designs. Those lose their hold after a while and become useless. I have a lot of experience with the digital SLR's (Nikon, mainly) as that is what I have been using for the past couple of years.  If you have any questions along that realm, I would love to offer any help I can.

    Kevin
     
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    I use a Nikon D100, with which I am inordinately happy. It's such a flexible system (I previously used a Bronica and 2 Pentax SLRs), and the performance is outstanding.

    I'd be interested to hear what flash set-ups others are using - I haven't splashed out on a Nikon flash yet, and I need to be convinced taht it will make a significant difference to a non-Nikon one.
     
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    The pictures of the Grenson shoes on our site were done with a Sony Mavica 5.o, I also use a Cannon EOS Rebel Digital that I just purchased, mainly because I have so many Cannon EF lenses that will now fit a camera I can afford that is SLR Digital. It is a good 6.3 megapixel, not as high as say the Nikon, but great for an amateur wannabe. The digital age is here, and it is nice, the best thing about the Sony is the disc formatted memory, no need to worry about running out of space, in the lowest mode, you can hold up to 1000 pictures, then flop in another disc and go some more.
     
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    I've been very happy with the SB-600 (Nikon). Got one new on ebay for $216 to my door. Its really dedicated to the D70 system. I didn't see the benefits of spending 100+ more for the SB-800 and don't think i'd ever use the extra features. And you can use the 600 off the camera and use the built in as the commander.

    stevo
     
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    There are many who think that the Nikon flash metering system is the best around, especially for fill flash in daylight. It accounts for the focus distance in calculating the flash output (IIRC, Canon's current system does not do that, but Minolta Maxxum and post MZ-S model Pentax cameras do), and is excellent at getting balance right when doing daylight fill. Most of the major SLR systems now use a pre-flash to help calculate the output for the actual exposure, and if you use a generic flash you won't be able to take advantage of that. In my experience, preflash TTL (through the lens) metering is more accurate than non-preflash TTL or the non-TTL metering systems, and systems that account for subject distance may provide an advantage as well.

    If you don't use a Nikon flash, or one of the third party flash units that is built for use with the newest Nikon bodies, you won't be able to take advantage of the flash metering system in the D100. IMHO, that's missing out on one of the best features of Nikon's camera line. Going with a Nikon system flash will at a minimum allow you to take advantage of the metering of your camera, and if you go with the full bells'n'whistles flash models, you can go to wireless off-camera flash which is really cool sometimes (but which very few people ever do or have a need for).

    And this comes from a person who owns not a single Nikon product. (Pentax SLR gear, Cosina/Voigtlander rangefinder, and Panasonic and Sony digicams).
     
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    Does anyone use flash bulbs?
     
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    In the comic books....
     
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    I should be getting the camera on Friday... I'll let you all know how it works out.
     
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    UPDATE:

    Just in case anyone was wondering, I'm very happy with the camera. I feel like I did enough research on it to not be suprised by its few minor shortcomings. I also picked up a memory card. My camera uses SecureDigital (SD) memory, and I wanted to get something I'd probably never have to change, so I went with a San Disk 1GB Ultra II card. I decided to go with the Ultra II for the fast write speed, which helps in high speed consecutive shot mode, and it appears to be working quite well.

    See Cowboys v.s. Seahawks thread for some samples of unedited pictures.
     

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