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Dack's shoes question

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Rampart, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. tonylamer

    tonylamer Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, Colonel. Can you explain the difference in quality (if any) between the "bespoke" stampings and the "extra quality" or "custom grade" stampings? Was there a line of Dack's that was internally classified as its highest level of quality? And what would the difference be in terms of construction?

    For the thread: Dack's Prairie Oxhide derbies:

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  2. COLONEL77

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    BILL SMITH - SORRY YOU ARE INSULTED - HOWEVER, IF YOU READ BACK TO INITIAL POSTS YOU WILL SEE REASON WHY EVERYTHING IS IN UPPERS / BOLD - THANK YOU - COLONEL77
     
  3. COLONEL77

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    tonylamer - THE NAME S.E. DACK WAS FOR THE TOP OF THE LINE MODELS, BEING SHOES OF THE VERY BEST MATERIALS TO THE HIGHEST QUALITY STANDARDS -

    BESPOKE IS ANOTHER WORD FOR MADE - TO - ORDER / MADE - TO - MEASURE, WHICH DACKS PRODUCED FOR MANY YEARS UNTIL THE 1970s - FOR A DEFINITION IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO LOOK THIS UP AS IT WAS A COMMON TERM IN TAILOR MADE SUITINGS AND ALSO MEANS A CUSTOM BUILD WHEN REFERRING TO THINGS LIKE SHOES ALONG WITH MANY OTHER MADE TO ORDER ITEMS.

    THE MAJORITY OF ALL DACK'S AND HARTT'S MODELS FELL INTO THE CUSTOM GRADE CATEGORY.

    HOWEVER, DACK'S AND HARTT'S WERE THE TWO VERY BEST SHOE MANUFACTURERS IN THE HISTORY OF SHOE MAKING IN CANADA, SO ALL MODELS WERE TURNED OUT TO THE VERY HIGHEST STANDARDS AND WERE MADE FROM THE VERY BEST QUALITY LEATHERS, NO MATTER THE MODEL.

    ONE FINAL ITEM, MANY TODAY ARE NOT AWARE OF, IS THAT DACK'S WAS BEGUN IN 1834 MAKING IT THE 7th OLDEST CONTINUING BUSINESS IN THE HISTORY OF CANADA, STARTING 33 YEARS BEFORE CONFEDERATION AND REMAINING IN OPERATION UNTIL CLOSING OUT IN 2009. - COLONEL77
     
  4. martinottawa

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    The Matthew Dack shoes use US sizing. F width is regular width.
     
  5. Bill Smith

    Bill Smith Well-Known Member

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    Ok so I got this straight, North American sizing as in I'm a 11 in Allen Edmonds so I'm also 11 in Matthew Dack but instead of a D it's a F as in UK widths?
     
  6. martinottawa

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    Well it's slightly complicated by the fact that AE has weird sizing. I'm a 9 in AE, but a 9.5 in Dacks - and I wear 9.5US or 10 (43 eu) in most other shoes, including runners.
     
  7. tonylamer

    tonylamer Well-Known Member

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    Another question for the Colonel. This'll settle a lot of arguments: Did Church's ever make shoes for Dack's in their English factories and re-brand those shoes as Dack's for the Canadian market?

    I have three pairs of Dack's "Bond Street" shoes with "Made in England" insoles. I've been told that some Bond Street shoes were made by Church's and others by Cheaney. I'm going to upload a shot of my split-toe derbies which look exactly like the Dorchester model now being manufactured by Cheaney for Matthew Dack. I assume that these were made by Cheaney--yet no one's ever fleshed out the history of the English production of Dack's shoes.

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  8. Marc Labrosse

    Marc Labrosse New Member

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    I don't believe Church's ever made shoes for Dack's.

    Nice shoes you have, and they look to be almost new. Where and when did you buy them?

    MD
     
  9. daxman

    daxman Active Member

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    Several times in the past I have posted here about the correct way to interpret sizes and widths. Unfortunately , the fact that I spent nearly 40 years in the shoe business and the vast amount of that as a Dack Shoes manager, has been over-ridden by someone who purports to know men's fittings but hasn't got any real idea at all.Finally, isn't there anyone else out there, who has a substantial background in the business, who the guys might be willing to listen to ?? Daxman.
     
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  10. tonylamer

    tonylamer Well-Known Member

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    I found that pair in a thrift store about two weeks ago. I'm always looking for exotics and bespoke-models in my size, but I can't leave the good stuff behind. I'm a bit of a collector. Since old shoes tend to scare off anyone now living (and so lacking a knowledge of shoe polish and leather conditioner), Dack's and Hartt are not so uncommon in my part of Ontario.
     
  11. Towers

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    I'm assuming the Hartt Made in England Gold Seal shoes are also done by Cheaney? I came across a pair not long ago, but they didn't look like the Dack's Cheaney's I've seen (stamped size/last info as opposed to written and what looked like a front/back width designation).
     
  12. MyOtherLife

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  13. JakOShadows

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    Hi all! I have a pair of Dack's, but that's all I know, Hana. I was hoping I could get some help from the fine people at StyleForum.

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  14. FaceOfBoh

    FaceOfBoh Well-Known Member

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    I hope this thread isn't dead.

    I have a pair of exotic hide shoes that I suspect are Dack's. No impression or ink is left on the insole but the numbers on the side are clear.

    Anyone have any thoughts?

    Thanks!


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  15. daxman

    daxman Active Member

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    This is a black camelskin sized 10 1/2 D.
     
  16. FaceOfBoh

    FaceOfBoh Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much! BTW, my favourite pair of shoes is caramel coloured pair of camel skins from Dack's, posted earlier in the thread.
     
  17. dacksguy

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    Hi Daxman. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Dacksguy -yes I stoled part of your Styleforum name. I have had several pairs of Dack's over the years and I signed up to agree with your sizing info. I also wear Dacks on a continual basis, have for years. I am a size 11F or G. I can make both work. I could probably wear an 11.5 D. Let me know the styles in the Dack's range you preferred back when the company was a going concern.
     
  18. Marc Labrosse

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    I've just recently come into a pair of vintage Dack's that look awesome! I was hoping someone could help me to decode the model numbers and date:

    11 D 7846 11
    4416 02 25

    I am aware, of course, that they are size 11. They have the anniversary stamp in the insole, and seem to be made from either a pebble-grain or oxhide leather. The leather has some real character - scrapes, rubs etc. in it, but you can see that they are below the finish. I have no idea if the shoes came from the factory this way, or if they were rebuilt at some point.

    Thanks in advance for any / all help.
     
  20. Spyder187

    Spyder187 Active Member

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    Any help with what type of leather these shoes are please?
     
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