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Crossfit

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Grayland, Aug 13, 2008.

  1. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Well-Known Member

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    My rant was by no means directed to you. It's something I have had on my mind for a while now and was meaning to make a post about it. :)

    Yes, I agree on diet. It's been hard for me to maintain a good one, but I am working on focusing on it. For me I need to cut out the drinks and drastically increase my protein intake.
     
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    Yeah, I just accept that I'll be one of the slower people in the class and try to focus on form. Some of those movements are just stupid to do when you're panting so hard you feel about to pass out. I dont do rebounding box jumps either. I just jump up and step off. My achilles is more important than my time.
     
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    You mention also doing powerlifting. Does your Crossfit let you go in on off days and do this? I can't imaging paying what Xfit charges and still pay for another membership at a regular gym.

    Since I have been having these ankle pains, I do the rowing machine a lot more. That has helped, but I find they are hard to get in the same level of cardio. Doing step-offs from the boxes would probably help me too.
     
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    My gym actually has a separate powerlifting coach. They also allow members to come in and use the equipment for their own routines. I'm pretty happy with what they offer, but if it were not for these extras, I would have a difficult time justifying the cost.
     
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  5. globetrotter

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    thanks - this is a great conversation for my needs.


    I did a crossfit class last week and really enjoyed it. I usually try to do a very diverse workout week - one day running, one day swimming, one day powerlifting, one day yoga, and a few sessions of boxing. crossfit seems to cover soem of the things that I don't get elsewhere - mostly related to explosivness and sprining, when I run I run a long distance, but at a slow jog.

    the other thing is that I like to excersize before 7 in the morning, 5 or 6. my gym has crossfit 3 mornings a week at 9:30 and 6 days a week at 5:30 pm. but there is a crossfit only place that has about 30 sessions a week, including a 5 am daily, but it costs 100 bucks, and that's on top of what I pay now for my boxing gym and my wieght gym. so, I am toying with the idea of joining, to get more cardio at the time that I like, and then maybe giving up some of the private boxing lessons I do.

    I want to see how it goes doing 2 crossfit classes a week, on top of my regular stuff. I think that it will give me something that I am not getting with the rest of the stuff I do, then I'll see. but the idea of going to only crossfit isn't really the way I'd like to go, right now
     
  6. Oli2012

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    A 400/300/500 total isn't much to ask. It's pretty much the standard for ametuer athletes, bodybuilders and powerlifters.

    Most people just want to reduce their bodyfat to the 10s and put on some muscle mass. Yes it can be done without a 400/300/500 total, but getting there and maintaining it without it is incredibly inefficient.
     
  7. deadly7

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    This is so fucking stupid it's incredible.
     
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    How?

    Please find me a strong, natural physique of someone who isn't close to any of those figures.

    Is it, none?
     
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    im going to interpret the 400/300/500 thing as "if you want to reduce your BF and put on muscle mass, aiming for 400/300/500 is a good way to do it."

    sure, no two ways to getting sub-10/big guns are equal, and aiming for 4/3/5 is a pretty dumb-proof way to get there, but i do dislike the modern-day e-lifter dogma. dude was up in rhet preaching 5/3/1's particular assistance setup as "the best" for natty lifters - because we all know there is such a thing as "the best program ever" - so take it with a grain of salt
     
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    Please find me an example of a natural lifter with a decent physique who can't get anywhere near these numbers.

    Is it, none?

    I'm sensing I'm arguing with a <300lb squatter...
     
  11. TeeKay

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    Also if all you're looking for is some decent size and low-BF, you don't need to lift anywhere near 4/3/5.
     
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    Please present me with a well researched program that fits more easily into the lives of regular people than 5/3/1.

    Once you've finished that please explain how moderate intensity/high volume assistance wouldn't be highly effective at creating hypertrophy/correcting imbalances.
     
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    If you're into the strung out rock star thing...
     
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    both of the things you have argued that make 5/3/1 "the best" are not exclusive to 5/3/1. moreover, the mere act of regulating intensity through working with percentages of one's 1RM does not magically make a program "fit more easily into the lives of regular people," whatever that is supposed to mean. i can think of lots of programs that fit into the lives of regular people, and none of them have anything to do with wendler. moderate intensity/high volume assistance work is also nothing new and was present long before people started drinking from wendler's nut cup. as far as "well-researched" goes - pretty much every notable program worth anything that has come from any coach worth mentioning has been researched in the sense that it has been based upon experience, which is how 5/3/1 came about.

    im not saying its a bad program, far from it. its a good program, albeit one that encourages overthinking a little. im saying that its ridiculous for someone to take a group of people as large and diverse as "natty lifters" and say that working with %1RM and only a particular assistance setup (triumvirate) is the best, because it isn't. you could call it a bunch of other nice things that i would agree with, but the best is a pretty lofty claim.

    in my own experience, i spent months making miniscule progress and plateauing on 5/3/1/triumvirate and then i started doing 2x5s at max effort with a different assistance setup and voila, progress. does that mean 2x5 and different assistance work is better than 5/3/1? no. its different. the mere fact that you are preaching a particular program with a particular assistance setup as the best for all natty lifters everywhere shows you have a hefty case of confirmation bias.
     
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    I thought this thread was about Crossfit...
     
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    Also, using 5/3/1 to pack on muscle is a pretty lulzy way of going about it. It's great for packing on that initial strength but definitely not super efficient if you're lifting for looks.
     
  17. deadly7

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    You're the one making outlandish claims: the onus is on you to provide proof. Please tell me how it's "inefficient" for all people of all body types (height, frame size, etc) to keep a certain BF without 4/3/5. After all, this is your claim.

    Also, solid appeal to accomplishment, e-bro.


    This is not how I interpreted it because that isn't what he said. I don't disagree with that in spirit, though. Obviously if you train long enough to keep putting up big numbers (relative to your bw, I don't necessarily think 4/3/5 in itself is anything useful.) then you'll look more muscular. This is so fucking obvious it's not even worth stating.
     
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    Just please don't go to crossfit gyms... The only crossfitters I've been able to stand are the ones that do it in their garage/at their normal gyms...Ex-cops cheering you on while you vomit doesn't really sound like my idea of a good work-out. I know people that have good results alternating crossfit with more traditional lifting, though
     
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    Hi. I'm a big fat fatty pants and I'm a lazy SOB. I loathe working out alone and every time I've tried to it never works out. I'm just not that kind of guy. I do well with coaches yelling at me to make sure I finish a workout and I also am much more likely to put in the effort if there's a competitive angle. I don't care to get ripped or cut, but I do want to lose like 30 lbs and relatively quickly. Crossfit sounds like a solid fit if I can find a gym that's not too douchey. Does this sound about right?
     

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