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Cordings of piccadilly

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by andreyb, Dec 29, 2003.

  1. CashmereLover

    CashmereLover Well-Known Member

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    I tried on some chinos that Incotex made for Polo Ralph Lauren - very small sizing, low rise and not a patch on Cording's drills. And double the price of Cording's too! It's a choice between Italian (poofy Prima Donnas in tight trousers at half mast) or Cording's (true Brit style for real men).

    Indeed it's a choice. I love both styles so I might end up with one pair of fine Italian wool trousers for nice urban autumn/winter days, and one pair of Cordings moleskin or corduroys for bad weather.
     
  2. Bishop of Briggs

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    I notice that "brokentelephone" has not supplied the name of the London firms that sell half-canvassed suits at much lower prices than Cordings (£325 and £600 for two).

    Harvie & Hudson, another shirtmaker, sells fused Berwin & Berwin suits. They are competing Lewin and Tyrwhitt that I mentioned earlier. Hackett's suits have declined in cut and quality and are fused too. New & Lingwood charge £500 and above.
     
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  3. Ich_Dien

    Ich_Dien Well-Known Member

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    N&L suits are quite decent in my experience. Unless all of my probing questions received lies when I bought one.
     
  4. Poppins Court

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    OK, thanks, sounds promising. However, just the other minute I found some interesting trousers (mostly Incotex) on Yoox. Might go that way instead, we'll see. I love both British and Italian style, it's hard to chose. [​IMG]

    It's all a question of rise, really, isn't it? Both my Incotex (Chino Lino) and Cordings' moleskins have similar rises--around 8 inches. I'm not sure I would consider either "high wasted." I measure both openings at around 8 inches as well. Come to consider it, Incotex's Chino Lino and Cordings' Moleskins/cords have more than a little in common regarding fit. Application, however, is another story: The former rarely engages in anything more strenuous than a garden party, whereas the latter see me through entire Saturdays spent shooting clay. I can't speak to which make me feel more like a "real man" though.
     
  5. Frog in Suit

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    I have a pair each of their moleskins (grey-green), thick cords (bottle green), needlecords (bright red), cotton twills (pale khaki, not shown on the website). I am extremely happy with all of them.
    The moleskins and thick cords come with braces buttons and Daks adjusters. All of them have button flies. The fabrics feel substantial and should last a long time. I still have a pair of cotton twills bought in the mid eighties which are still wearable, although the bottoms are a bit frayed.
    I think of Cordings as the kind of shop one can definitely trust, given their history, reputation and my personal experience with them.
    I remember walking in one day to buy trousers and the man there correctly eyeballed my waist size!
    Frog in Suit
     
  6. rabiesinfrance

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    I don't think their trousers are fully lined.

    I didn't know they did shoes - I'll have to take a look. It always seemed odd that a traditional men's country outfitter didn't do at least one boot or brogue.

    Excellent quality, Cordings.
     
  7. Patrick.D

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    In the interest of not beginning another thread-

    I would love to hear a reccomendation for, or comparison made between the quality of Bruar, Glengarnock, Cordings as I am looking for a suitable heavy weight pair of English Country corduroys for Fall to pair with the C&J Snowdon.


    Patrick
     
  8. RSS

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    I've long been a fan of Cordings ... but I'm also a fan of country clothing (pay no attention to that avatar).

    That said ... I find myself in agreement with most of what Bengal-stripe has to say.
     
  9. Frog in Suit

    Frog in Suit Well-Known Member

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    They do not offer men's shoes, unless I am mistaken, only women's (and Hunter wellies for both sexes).
    On our latest visit (early last week), with my Dear Wife and our 16-year old son, not the easiest age to shop for [​IMG] , we bought a crew neck navy lamb's wool long-sleeved jumper and two pair of trousers (faded red twills and a pair of blue pin cords) for the boy, one pair of navy pin cords and a gingham oxford shirt for the old man (me). Very good service (they know what they are about) and good quality. I am always happy to visit Cordings (and have no interest in the business).
    Frog in Suit
     
  10. ralphwho

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    While I will readily admit I have no direct experience regarding Cordings I feel that one can safely assume that any shop selling traditional English country attire in Piccadilly is there to rip off tourists using the old England image.

    I would be surprised to find any country gents there- so yes by all means go there if u have the money, are in a hurry, and want the fake Englishness

    Things get more complicated when you think that maybe this is really what is left of the English brand, i.e, as if all pizza restaurants in Italy were Pizza Express- and so it is not fake at all since it does not exist anymore except for the tourists sake. Like the Monarchy
     
  11. Frog in Suit

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    While I will readily admit I have no direct experience regarding Cordings I feel that one can safely assume that any shop selling traditional English country attire in Piccadilly is there to rip off tourists using the old England image.

    I would be surprised to find any country gents there- so yes by all means go there if u have the money, are in a hurry, and want the fake Englishness

    Things get more complicated when you think that maybe this is really what is left of the English brand, i.e, as if all pizza restaurants in Italy were Pizza Express- and so it is not fake at all since it does not exist anymore except for the tourists sake. Like the Monarchy


    Ralphwho,

    Yours seems a singularly ill-informed comment.

    Cordings have been at the same address since 1877; it is therefore a stretch to paint them with the same brush as the T-shirt stands at the Piccadilly Circle end of the street.

    One does find "country gents" in Mayfair and some of the "city gents" there do engage in country sports.

    I have always found Cordings to offer good value. I have no interest whatever in the business.

    Frog in suit
     
  12. andreyb2

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    I would love to hear a reccomendation for, or comparison made between the quality of Bruar, Glengarnock, Cordings as I am looking for a suitable heavy weight pair of English Country corduroys for Fall to pair with the C&J Snowdon.

    Don't know on difference in quality, but Bruar's corduroy trousers are made in Spain, whilst Cordings' ones are English-made. This might explain the difference in price.

    Andrey
     
  13. ralphwho

    ralphwho Well-Known Member

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    Ralphwho,

    Yours seems a singularly ill-informed comment.

    Cordings have been at the same address since 1877; it is therefore a stretch to paint them with the same brush as the T-shirt stands at the Piccadilly Circle end of the street.

    One does find "country gents" in Mayfair and some of the "city gents" there do engage in country sports.

    I have always found Cordings to offer good value. I have no interest whatever in the business.

    Frog in suit


    So you believe that having a shop in Piccadilly in 1877 is the same as having a shop in Piccadilly in 2010?

    Clearly the customers are totally different. How many Chinese did you get coming over to Cordingans in the 19th century?

    Obviously the business models are totally different so it is totally irrelevant that there has been a shop by that name in that place for that time. They might have just opened 20 years ago.

    When brands say since 1xxx it is total BS since we all know that in-between 1xxx and 2010 god knows what happened to the quality levels, type of clientèle, type of owners, product quality, etc, etc

    In this day and age no country gent needs to travel to Piccadilly to get his attire. On the other hand, Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish , etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers given that they account for the vast majority of passers by with a wish to buy a bit of old Britannia.

    This cannot be denied

    So if your typical customer is a guy who shows up from "outer space" once in a lifetime, what do you do? Invest in quality?- I don't think so

    On the other hand maybe the current owners have just decided that they will sacrifice profit for the sake of delivering a genuine product- who knows? the world is full of romantics

    Do I think so? NOT!!!
     
  14. Frog in Suit

    Frog in Suit Well-Known Member

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    So you believe that having a shop in Piccadilly in 1877 is the same as having a shop in Piccadilly in 2010?

    Clearly the customers are totally different. How many Chinese did you get coming over to Cordingans in the 19th century?

    Obviously the business models are totally different so it is totally irrelevant that there has been a shop by that name in that place for that time. They might have just opened 20 years ago.

    When brands say since 1xxx it is total BS since we all know that in-between 1xxx and 2010 god knows what happened to the quality levels, type of clientèle, type of owners, product quality, etc, etc

    In this day and age no country gent needs to travel to Piccadilly to get his attire. On the other hand, Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish , etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers given that they account for the vast majority of passers by with a wish to buy a bit of old Britannia.

    This cannot be denied

    So if your typical customer is a guy who shows up from "outer space" once in a lifetime, what do you do? Invest in quality?- I don't think so

    On the other hand maybe the current owners have just decided that they will sacrifice profit for the sake of delivering a genuine product- who knows? the world is full of romantics

    Do I think so? NOT!!!


    I was in the shop, with my wife and one of our sons, last Wednesday. Apart from us, the only other customers were decently dressed English men, apparently in their thirties or forties. This reflects my previous visits to the shop. Perhaps you would care to share with the rest of us the exclusive data on which you base your assertion that "Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish, etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers".

    I cannot vouch for the quality of the goods a shopper would have purchased at Cordings in 1877; I was not there (but neither were you). I have been shopping at Cordings since the mid-eighties; the quality since then has seemed good and pretty constant.

    You seem to have decided that the only strategy for a shop of this kind is to cheapen the quality and hope to snare uninformed passing tourists, at the risk of chasing away their traditional customers. That seems to me a certain recipe for failure. I hope Cordings, and other shops of their kind, will eschew your recommendations. You, on the other hand, might wisely decide not to pursue a career as a retail consultant.

    Frog in Suit
     
  15. Ich_Dien

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    So you believe that having a shop in Piccadilly in 1877 is the same as having a shop in Piccadilly in 2010? Clearly the customers are totally different. How many Chinese did you get coming over to Cordingans in the 19th century? Obviously the business models are totally different so it is totally irrelevant that there has been a shop by that name in that place for that time. They might have just opened 20 years ago. When brands say since 1xxx it is total BS since we all know that in-between 1xxx and 2010 god knows what happened to the quality levels, type of clientèle, type of owners, product quality, etc, etc In this day and age no country gent needs to travel to Piccadilly to get his attire. On the other hand, Chinese, Japanese, American, Italian, Spanish , etc tourists surely account for the vast majority of customers given that they account for the vast majority of passers by with a wish to buy a bit of old Britannia. This cannot be denied So if your typical customer is a guy who shows up from "outer space" once in a lifetime, what do you do? Invest in quality?- I don't think so On the other hand maybe the current owners have just decided that they will sacrifice profit for the sake of delivering a genuine product- who knows? the world is full of romantics Do I think so? NOT!!!
    Firstly, it would be wise to have some experience with Cordings before you begin spouting such nonsense. Secondly, I go to Cordings quite regularly, and I have only ever seen one touristic family in there and they were German. Most of the time it is English people, who rush in and rush out ordering specific things because they are familiar with the brand, ie 'I'll take those claret trousers in a 32, I'm in a rush'. The clothes they offer, apart from their business suits and coats, simply do only cater for the country set. They are not very adaptable, meaning that they have little to no touristic value. If you also knew London, you'd know that it is situated on a part of Piccadilly which is quite drab, meaning that not many people do 'pass by', considering all that is close are a few coffee shops and outdoor clothing shops. Most tourists are either half a mile up the road at the Burlington Arcade, or north on Regent street. For your information, the current owner is Eric Clapton, who bought the business because he liked it so much and it was in danger of collapse. If it was owned by a fashion house, maybe you could be right. Unfortunately, you're not. As for your other comments regarding things such as the Monarchy only existing for tourist's sake, then I can at best respond that you're a bloody idiot.
     
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    Do I think so? NOT!!!


    Goodness, I normally require actually holding an item of clothing, and usually wearing it, in order to judge the quality a firm's offerings. You sir, have a gift.

    Also, I did not know it was owned by the Clap, this changes my attitude towards shopping there.
     
  18. kolecho

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    While I will readily admit I have no direct experience regarding Cordings I feel that one can safely assume that any shop selling traditional English country attire in Piccadilly is there to rip off tourists using the old England image.


    Cordings for tourists? You are quite imaginative indeed.
     
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    Cordings for tourists? You are quite imaginative indeed.
    Well, it does attrace the Well-Healed Anglophile ... a rare and glorious species.

    I note that this species is not evident in my avatar du jour (ou semaine, ou mois).
     
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    To use the word du jour: looks crispy.
     

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