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Consider the Lobster

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by mordecai, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Well-Known Member

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    I could understand it not being a concern of yours, but you don't get it? Really?

    Look, as I said before, they are the equivalent of cockroaches. I, and I'm sure you don't, feel much of a problem when you smack a cockroach and it still squirms around the floor for a good minute after three times of smacking it. And I can guarantee the roach "feels worse". Why is that less problematic than the lobster? OK that wasn't as clear as I wanted.

    Lambs are adorable. Every time I drive by a farm with little babies, I cry inside.

    No you don't. You have no heart.
     
  2. mordecai

    mordecai Well-Known Member

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    Look, as I said before, they are the equivalent of cockroaches. I, and I'm sure you don't, feel much of a problem when you smack a cockroach and it still squirms around the floor for a good minute after three times of smacking it. And I can guarantee the roach "feels worse". Why is that less problematic than the lobster? OK that wasn't as clear as I wanted. .
    When I was a little kid I jumped into a pool to save a roly poly. This isn't a bad point though I don't think the similarities are that profound.
     
  3. foodguy

    foodguy Well-Known Member

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    When I was a little kid I jumped into a pool to save a roly poly.

    jeez, you were kind of destined to live in eagle rock, weren't you?
     
  4. mordecai

    mordecai Well-Known Member

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    I live in Franklin Hills, not Eagle Rock. Used to live in Highland Park though.
     
  5. Night Owl

    Night Owl Well-Known Member

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    i have seen someone put a live lobster in a chamber vac. unnecessarily cruel and inhumane. i have a lot of thought on the subject but will wait til i get to a real computer to type them

    yeah it was terrible. the worst part was that was (and is no longer, thank god) the exec sous at a very famous and respected restaurant. sad

    ....

    I'm sure this makes me an awful, awful human being, but one night at Cyrus we stuck a live lobster in the cryovac. And by "we" I mean "I waited until everyone else left and I did it to see what happened."

    my weird memory awakens.


    rofl self pwnage

    Where do you draw the line? It's not okay to boil a living lobster, but it is to ram a knife through its brain? Or its not okay to ram a knife through its brain OR boil it, but it's okay to take mussels, another living animal, and throw them in a hot pan? What about oysters? Is it okay to eat something if it's still alive? Is it any less humane to boil a lobster than it is to shock a cow's brain and then slit its throat?

    id draw the line somewhere before putting a living lobster in a vacuum for shits and giggles
     
  6. Kajak

    Kajak Well-Known Member

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    Re: Lamb -

    Once I visited a farm and we got to see all the new baby lambs. Some people there were like "oooh so cute" and I was said "Can I name this one Easter Dinner?"

    Some people glared at me but the farmer just laughed.

    NB: I was like 16 at the time.
     
  7. foodguy

    foodguy Well-Known Member

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    lamb: a buddy of mine has a connection to a sheeps milk cheese producer in norcal. when they cull the males, he gets a cut .... the most unbelievable little chops, the tenderloin not much bigger than a quarter. very smooth, delicate texture. yum.
     
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    I like it, the lamb.
     
  9. MichaelPemulis

    MichaelPemulis Well-Known Member

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    The article is pure genius, much like most of DFW's writing. So very sad that he is gone. He is worth mourning.
     
  10. mordecai

    mordecai Well-Known Member

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    I am now considering killing some lobsters. What should be my first dish?
     
  11. erictheobscure

    erictheobscure Well-Known Member

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    Coddled conscience topped with wilted empathy.
     
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  12. foodguy

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    GOD's butter-poached is pretty convincing and very easy. of course, if you've never killed them before, simply steamed is good. or split and grilled.
     
  13. mgm9128

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    If it's your first time killing a lobster, I would try doing something very simple with them. You will want to get the meat out raw so that you have more control over the cooking. Butter poaching is a nice method, as the goal should be to use gentle heat to bring the lobster meat slowly up to temperature, so as not to seize and turn rubbery. God pairs that nicely with a sauce made from reduced beet juice and braised leeks. But lobster is very versatile, so you can pair it with most anything you like.
     
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    just to be clear: not actually raw, but only slightly cooked. you need to cook it a little to separate the shell from the body. but certainly most of the cooking is done after that.
     
  15. mordecai

    mordecai Well-Known Member

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    you do the hot water pour?
     
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    Yes. Just steeped long enough to release the membrane.
     
  17. mgm9128

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    It is very simple. Just put your lobster(s) in a heatproof bowl, and pour the boiling water over them (add a little white vinegar to the water). Let them steep, depending on their size, for 1-1.5 minutes, covered. Then, remove them from the water, break their claws (or mitts, if you please) and put back in the water to steep for an additional 5 minutes, in which time you can take the tail out of the shell, and clean the bodies to use for stock.

    I posted a little step-by-step in the Raw Ingredients thread a while back:
    http://www.styleforum.net/t/229532/raw-ingredient-and-mise-en-place-porn-thread/1320#post_5023461

    God speed.
     
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  18. b1os

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    ̴̷̢̏͆̊ͤ̇ͯ̒̀͏̦͚͚ͅd̛̞͉̪͚͕̺̩͔̪͍̪̥̫̬ͧ̈͂͋́ͬͤ͑̌ͮ͒͟o̶̠̫̟̦͐ͨͦ͐͗̒̐ͭ̐͑ͧͯ͌ͣ̌̄͜t̵̸̨͚̘͕͉̻̽̽̌ͧ̾̏̋͆̿̏̾͟͠ḧ̶̨̧̡̠̤̪͓̭͚̱̺̝͚̟͎ͯ͂ͮͥ̀i̶͂̓ͭ̽͒͋͏̨̞̟̪̹̣̮͍͎̙̤͔̼̖͚͚͟ͅs̸̢̨̹̝̝̱͓ͦ̈̉́̒ͨ͛ͯ̐̎̍̓̽͟͠ ̡̛͚̝̝͈͙̫̼̗̦̬̫̯̯̤͗̎̋̑̆̊̄̑̓̅̌ͭ̎ͪ͋͜͠͠t̡̝̫̙̳̖̃̾̈́̎ͧͦ̽̍̌̚͟o͋ͣ͆ͤͨ̐͐ͭ̃̊̒̎̏҉҉̢̲̝͇̖͚̤̤͚ ̛͈̝̣̭̝̺͍͙̘̝̳̥͍̣̭̞̯̣ͪͫ͊ͩ̆̉͌ͪͧ͗̾͑͛ͩ͋̍t̼͈̤̤̦̖̣͍̦̻͚͙̯̫͕̐̂͛͆͛̓̐ͯ̇̅̓ͮ͂ͦ̾ͬ̆́͘͟h̷̴̤̹̳̝̗͔̮̰͎͙̺ͯ͑̉ͦ̊͗͐̍ͮ͑̊ͫ̏̋͊̕͜ͅe̵̬̦̘͚̜̻̥͖̿̔̔̈́̎͑ͦ͗ͫ̈́́̏̓͂̉̓͑̀͘ͅ ̸̛̦͉͉̱͈͍̲͚͙͇̲̭ͩͮ̏ͫͧ̄ͮ̐̉͋ͤͪ͐̚͜͞
    ͣ̐̑ͭ̂̒̑ͫ́̓͗ͧ̓͊̀͐̿̚̚͞҉̯̼̟̤͍̜̖̜̻̖̫͈̮̻̖̻͇͙p̴̴̡̔ͮ̿̏ͬ̽ͤͨ̽ͬ̀͌̃̃̀̿͊̒̚͏͙̥̫͎̱̯̳͇o̧͚̘̻͎̯̼̮͆ͧ̓̎ͩͮ̊ͧ̏ͮͧͫ̏͑͗ͧ̄͆͗̕͞͞o͓̳̙̖̹̰̥̮̳̹̼̬͂̅̋̽͗̓ͯ̒̂̓̉ͨͪ̚͡͞r̛̤̮͈̯͓͎̖̗̿̐̏̇̐̒͟͡ ̨̨̱͎̩͚̱̙̻̣͕̦̮̜̱̟̪͂͗̍ͯͯ̋ͬͨ̏̾̊̂ͬ̈́ͬ̅̚͢͝͡l̢̛̺̯͇̣̗̣̖̻͖̖̟̺̰̤̳̫̻̮ͦ̽̾̌ͮ̐̍ͮ́͒͊̉̈ͮ̏̾ͣ͒͢o͋̋͆̈ͨͬͮ̆ͦͤͮ͊̑̽͋͆̋́͝͏̶̡͖̤̝͉̩̪͍̘̝̱̘͔͇̱̗̮ͅḃ̷̢̦͖͚̤̤͈͚̪̬̖͈̖̖̻ͨ͐͐ͤͩ̍̓ͦ̋ͨͩͫͣͦ̉̏͝s̸̙͕͈̳͛̅̍́͌ͣ̉͋͛̈́̀͡t̷̴̡̬̪̳̤͍͗͐ͩ̊͊ͬ̽ͦ̈́͋̑ͩ́ͬ̈́̅̈́͌̄e͙̝̤̖̍͛́ͣ̄̿ͭ̌͗̆̒ͬ̅̊̒́̚̕r̵̛̠̘̖͓̘̫̮̤̙͙̻̦̹̳̋̓̏̂͆̕͞?̷̷̸̨͕̯͕͔̹̠̩͔̗̺͈̜͐ͭ̽͐̀̌̆̿ͤͤͯ̊̂̿̋͘
    ̵̶̱̬͈͎̳̙̺̭̯̲͇̻͉͋͐̋̍ͥ̄̌ͩ̂̀͗ͧ̐͘ͅ
    ̛̘̩̻̤͖̙̫̗̰̰̖͉̣̊̍͑̆̍̍͑ͮ̃ͦ̓̅͋̽H̟̹͙̩̪̘̤ͫ̄̐ͯ͑͑̾ͦ͗͂ͤͫ̽̔̂͌͒̑͘e̵̴̬͍͍ͩͭ̂̓̈̀̈̾ͮͥ́ͭ̾̉̄ͤͤ̕͢͜ ̶̶̡̤̞̺͈̠̩̺̫̹͖̘̰͉͓͉̱̩̮̹̈́ͭ̓̓̉̌ͥ̂̐f̨̛͍̣̥̺̲͙̘̳͖̦̙̜͙ͩͤ̉ͪ̂̅͐̔̅̿̇̄̎̑ͤ͋̀͌̕i͍̭̱̙̝̬ͧ̊̈́̈̔ͤ̏ͪ̿ͪͫ̂ͭͮͭ̌̉̈́̾̕͠g̶̵͈̲̪̜̩͚̦͉̺̳͈̰̝͈̳̠̹̬ͭͫ͊ͯ̃͘ͅȟ̸̙̥͈̙͎̭̱̰̪̯͉̣̲̜͕͓́̍̄ͦ͘͠t͚͖̪̤̼͚̟̎ͥ̅̆ͥ̀́͢͜s̶̨̘͕̖̘̮̠̹͍̗̣̱͇͈̥̤̗͍̜̊̒̅͋̄ͯ̒̄̍ͭͥ͆̊̏́ ̨͓̤̭̠͚̦͓̹͕̹̥̼̳̤ͤ̇͂ͤ̉̒͋̄͑́̃͊̄͌̒̐̀͟͜ȁ̴̶͉̫̲̙̘͚͔͇̩̤͙̙̙̤ͯͥͤͭ̚͢͠g͈̫̝̥̯̎́̂̌̈̂ͪ͐ͧͤ̀̚͘ͅọ̶̶̶̺̜̜̺̞̑̈̿̇͆̃͛́̍̊ͨ̄ͩ̍̿̉̌ͦn̢̨̨̜̣̥̳̠͎̰͚̲̯̺̹̩̒͆̒͆ͩ̽̾ͤ͗͆̒͑̓ͥͣ͊͜y͈̟̖̖̳̲̔ͭͮͫ͆̓ͣ̓͟
    ̧̩͕̮̻̣̠̪ͪ̃ͮ͛̾̉̐̾͆̿͗̓͞ͅa̐̑̓̄̈͏̧͙͈̭̦̙̳͓̮̲͖̼͜n̴̨̍̆̾ͭ͗̚͏̡̘̼̯̗d̢̡̞̦̞̞͗̒͂͂ͭ̈̽̉ͣ̕͘͜ ͬ̍͐ͮ͌͑̓ͫ̏͛̓̂́̚͝҉̝͉͔̟̻͔̠͙p̺͔͇̺͚̰͙̝͈̖̭͚͕̋̾̈͠͞ą͌̾ͣͯ̍̋͗͒̎͗̌̓̿̑̓̄͒̿͘͞҉͓̱̩̀i̢̜̤̬̤̝̤̤̓̅͗̐̎̕͝n̈́̇̏͒̈́ͥͥ͘҉͙̣͙̹͇͓̪͕̝̮̱̗̹̰̲͕͠
    ͚̤̖̤̤͍̞̈͗̒̆͂̌ͧ̿͂ͬ́͜͢͡ͅ
    ̧̪̺̦̝͖̗̮̤̩͕̗͖̫͕͙̥̜̜̳͐ͬ͑̈͗ͨ̐͗̀͜͠A͒͒͋ͤ͛͗̍ͩ̓̓̑͗̐̌ͮͬ̍̃͊͏̸̯̙̫̯̞̩͈̫̙̺͔̳̭̼̼̺̠̀͡ͅm̨̭̞̥̙̠͖̲̩̤̙̘̳̰̟͎̺̈́ͩͯ͋̽̽̃̂ȩ͇̙̬̯̫͍̲̭̼̒̑ͭ͑ͫͮ́ͣͩͬ̌̓́͘͜ͅǹ̸̛̯̟̬͔͑̏̿͊ͪ͊̈ͯͨͪ̋͒̆̈́ͭ




    Edit: Awww, styleforvm fucked it up. Anyway, good luck with the lobster, mordecai. And I'll remember this threak whenever I will prepare lobsters for the first time.
     
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    BTW, mordecai. If you end up buying two or more lobsters, you should definitely use their bodies to make the creamy broth I posted in that link. It is simple and very delicious. I will post the recipe, if you'd like.
     
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    I probably will only buy one to start, but I can save the shell and what is left of the innards. Please poast.
     

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