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Citizens On Patrol Thread...forum rules you would like to see

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Matt, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. Rambo

    Rambo Well-Known Member

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    that'd be cute in principle, but it's a lot to ask in practise... People have been saying that for years, I've never been a fan. Spam benefits notwithstanding, I just tend to err on the side of human nature. IIRC correctly, my first post here would have been something to the effect of 'hello, i live in a place with cheap tailors, what should i ask them to do for me'...if I had've signed up and gotten a notice saying 'you can't ask your cheap tailor question for a week', in all honesty, i would have gotten a little annoyed that i went through the registration process, returned to whatever DVD I was watching at the time, forgotten the site existed, and never have signed in again. Fok and I were just chatting about that actually. A couple of the guys aren't here as much as they would like to be any more, careers and families and lives and wives and all that stuff. As you know Kyle has been added to the ranks, he has a good temperament for it, and we are discussing the site's requirements at the moment.
    It is a lot to ask but it will definitely solve a lot of the problems. Maybe the mods could rotate the job? Good point about possibly driving people away. I think the key there will be finding the middle ground to this problem. Maybe a noob sub-forum? First 10 posts or something of the sort and they'd be able to access all other areas of the forum + search. That's pretty much why I mentioned it. Like I said before, if you need someone to pitch in I'd be glad to give back a bit of my time.
     
  2. Prada_Ferragamo

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    IIRC correctly, my first post here would have been something to the effect of 'hello, i live in a place with cheap tailors, what should i ask them to do for me'...if I had've signed up and gotten a notice saying 'you can't ask your cheap tailor question for a week', in all honesty, i would have gotten a little annoyed that i went through the registration process, returned to whatever DVD I was watching at the time, forgotten the site existed, and never have signed in again.

    The site has grown so much in the past year or so. I doubt any noob will have a question so sophisticated that a simple search wouldn't do. Just too lazy. I don't venture into MC that often, but the number of noob threads is enormous.
     
  3. BDC2823

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    The site has grown so much in the past year or so. I doubt any noob will have a question so sophisticated that a simple search wouldn't do. Just too lazy. I don't venture into MC that often, but the number of noob threads is enormous.

    I agree and they should search, but I also agree that the noob bashing is pretty lame and a detriment to the site. When I first joined I didn't know shit about clothes. That's why I came here because I wanted to learn. I didn't just start posting noob threads but spent about 6 months reading threads and going through past threads before making a post. That was my way but others have theirs. I just don't think that if a noob posts and asks a question, even if covered ad nauseum, the next 15 posts should be needless ridicule.

    Plus I stayed for the other forums. I rarely venture into MC now. One because my income took a nosedive so I can't afford to buy the stuff I did via the B/S forums a couple years ago, and two, because I find more value out of the other subforums. So I guess this goes back to value of the other forums as noted in previous replies. I find them really valuable. I don't post much in MC anymore but in the other subforums and without those ones and if this was only about clothing, I probably wouldn't have interacted with some great people. I consider KWilkinson a friend and talk with him regularly outside of SF and without the other subforums, I doubt he or I would've stayed. That goes with guys like Thomas as well. I even play video games online just about daily with a handful of members from SF like Mauro, bdeuce, John Galt, John, etc. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think everything is going well even if some refinement is needed, but the site evolving to what it has become, and not just clothing only, has been a good thing.
     
  4. Journeyman

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    I do not see any indication that interesting new posters have been chased away. Where would they go?

    they are chased away before they get to become interesting posters.

    It used to be, say, a kid shows up with a question about altering a suit his dad had given him, and we would give him useful advice, and sometimes he'd stick around, and sometimes he wouldn't.

    These days the useful advice is replaced with snark, he figures the site is full of assholes, and generally, doesn't stick around.

    I prefer the old way. Judging by the feedback I hear from a lot of the guys who have been here a while, they do too.


    +1.

    Sure, it can be a little bit boring when someone posts a "Please help me, how does my new suit look?" thread, but in all seriousness, if you can't be bothered giving good feedback then don't say anything at all.

    It's quite depressing to read what I assume is a genuine thread by someone asking for advice and to read responses that are sarcastic and full of SF in-jokes that the original poster won't understand. It must be discouraging for them and it's not a good look.
     
  5. Rambo

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    ^Good sense of irony this guy has.
     
  6. Matt

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    lol, ya, got it [​IMG]
     
  7. Douglas

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    I'd be sad if the CE and DT fora were gone. I came for the clothes, but now I rarely venture into MC, for a whole variety of reasons both forum-related and otherwise. Just my $.02.

    I agree though that it is extremely difficult to get to the best clothing information out there, which contributes to the noob issue in MC. Perhaps if there were a "Hall of Fame" independently searchable microsite (or subforum), with the best threads (e.g. Manton's Business Casual masterpiece) posted there, it would be a good place for noobs to start. Then you'd just have to come up with good criteria for nominating and electing HOF threads.

    One thing I wouldn't mind seeing - some sort of punishment level that allowed a member to stay and post but no longer start threads. I doubt this is possible, but if, say, 5 members have you on ignore you automatically lose new thread-making abilities.
     
  8. Piobaire

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    One thing I wouldn't mind seeing - some sort of punishment level that allowed a member to stay and post but no longer start threads. I doubt this is possible, but if, say, 5 members have you on ignore you automatically lose new thread-making abilities.

    Doug, great idea, but how hard would it be to get five members to collude for a joke or spite?

    I think the solution, if there is one (which presupposes there's actually a problem), would be both member driven and mod driven. For instance, the socks. I have to say the increased socks has made me snarkier. As I said in trans-mod, I feel like I'm answering the same questions (which will get argued with), from the same guy(s) a million times. Could be just my innate [​IMG] but we all know socks/trolls have done this repeatedly to most of us.

    So member and mod driven. Mods set the priority, i.e. eliminate/minimize harmful socks, members pitch in and just report a suspected sock vs. reacting to it (yes, I'm guilty of this).
     
  9. Manton

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    I may have more thoughts later, but I don't think getting rid of CE is the answer. I think it is actually an asset to the site. OK, that may be too far. But I know that it is one of the reasons why I came and hung out. Yes, it can be really, really snarky and obnoxious. But it can also be very well informed and lots of fun.

    As much anger and angst as I experienced in there, my travails in CE never tempted me to leave the site. It was more like a boxing gym. You go in, get the hell beat out of you, maybe beat the hell out of somebody else, shower, get bandaged, rest, and start over. And when it was "peaceful" you could learn something.

    For reasons discussed in this thread, MC is less interesting for many old-timers than it used to be. But they haven't abandoned it completely. They just go in there less. What I fear is that if you shut down a place like CE, some people who read CE a lot and MC occasionally won't respond by going back into MC with gusto. Rather they will just drift further away from the site.

    Again, for me personally, CE + food (+ e-friends) were the reasons I stayed even after MC ceased to be my primary hang-out. Had they not been there, I might have bugged out a long time ago.

    DT is a problem I don't know how to solve. I will think about that some more.
     
  10. Douglas

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    Doug, great idea, but how hard would it be to get five members to collude for a joke or spite?

    We are talking about this as though it were technically feasible, which I am certain it is not.

    But I'll play just because it's fun. Sure it's a possibility that a clique could gang up on someone but I was just trying to come up with a way for this not to take up more mod attention. If the rules were very firm on this sort of collusion (and could result in a ban) I think ppl would take the responsibility seriously enough. Still, it's probably true we would never again see an AF thread.

    [cue Louis Armstrong]
     
  11. Piobaire

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    We are talking about this as though it were technically feasible, which I am certain it is not.

    But I'll play just because it's fun. Sure it's a possibility that a clique could gang up on someone but I was just trying to come up with a way for this not to take up more mod attention. If the rules were very firm on this sort of collusion (and could result in a ban) I think ppl would take the responsibility seriously enough. Still, it's probably true we would never again see an AF thread.

    [cue Louis Armstrong]


    Yup, we're all just spitballing in this thread, I knew what you were saying. If we don't toss out ideas we'll get no new ideas on the topic.
     
  12. Thomas

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    I'd be sad if the CE and DT fora were gone. I came for the clothes, but now I rarely venture into MC, for a whole variety of reasons both forum-related and otherwise. Just my $.02.

    I agree though that it is extremely difficult to get to the best clothing information out there, which contributes to the noob issue in MC. Perhaps if there were a "Hall of Fame" independently searchable microsite (or subforum), with the best threads (e.g. Manton's Business Casual masterpiece) posted there, it would be a good place for noobs to start. Then you'd just have to come up with good criteria for nominating and electing HOF threads.

    One thing I wouldn't mind seeing - some sort of punishment level that allowed a member to stay and post but no longer start threads. I doubt this is possible, but if, say, 5 members have you on ignore you automatically lose new thread-making abilities.


    Doug, great idea, but how hard would it be to get five members to collude for a joke or spite?

    I think the solution, if there is one (which presupposes there's actually a problem), would be both member driven and mod driven. For instance, the socks. I have to say the increased socks has made me snarkier. As I said in trans-mod, I feel like I'm answering the same questions (which will get argued with), from the same guy(s) a million times. Could be just my innate [​IMG] but we all know socks/trolls have done this repeatedly to most of us.

    So member and mod driven. Mods set the priority, i.e. eliminate/minimize harmful socks, members pitch in and just report a suspected sock vs. reacting to it (yes, I'm guilty of this).


    I like Douglas's idea regarding the ignore statistics and think that there's a reasonable number above which a member gets disappeared for stupidity/annoyance.

    I'm not quite sure how this will play, but if you took such a statistic from your senior member base (or perhaps a base of posters above a certain postcount) then you'd probably have a reasonable idea of who is largely detracting from the site. It would almost amount to a sort of membership review of sorts.

    Socks, though, have got to go, and the puppetmasters probably get a week off or so. Probably time for an amnesty drive where we turn in our socks.

    As for DT - I was talking with another member (a fellow pioneer of the surreal) who was lamenting the sad state of affairs - and neither of us have much of an answer for it. One of the ironies (brought up by foodguy - iirc) of DT's is that you never quite know what thread will have legs and start running. Some of the most entertaining threads have been about the stupidest things - but someone gets in a good comment and it builds from there. Take the pwnage thread from a year or so back - it started out so, so stupidly, but was good-natured and had a lot of support from the stalwarts of the forum.

    I do think that the DT-regs have the brain power to not just bang out stupid thread titles (parodies, in particular) without substance behind them, and that probably ought to be something we self-enforce. The grab for quick yuks tends to make us all come down to that level, and it just pollutes the forum.
     
  13. Piobaire

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    I do think that the DT-regs have the brain power to not just bang out stupid thread titles (parodies, in particular) without substance behind them, and that probably ought to be something we self-enforce. The grab for quick yuks tends to make us all come down to that level, and it just pollutes the forum.

    Well, we do have a handy-dandy threak just to get your stupid thread titles off your mind vs. making a new threak...

    Agree though, you just never know which DT thread is going to go large. However, you can often tell the ones that will die in utero.
     
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    Well, we do have a handy-dandy threak just to get your stupid thread titles off your mind vs. making a new threak...

    Agree though, you just never know which DT thread is going to go large. However, you can often tell the ones that will die in utero.


    True on both counts, although I think at times we all tend to overestimate our ability to delivery the funniez and decide that THIS time our thread will rule!!!!!
     
  15. Hombre Secreto

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    What's up with the pussy ban? Why can't we post pics of bushes in threads that pretty much warn people of adult content?

    I understand if you don't want to allow actual penetration, but lift the pussy embargo.
     
  16. Manton

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    What's up with the pussy ban? Why can't we post pics of bushes in threads that pretty much warn people of adult content?

    I understand if you don't want to allow actual penetration, but lift the pussy embargo.


    This is not helpful.
     
  17. Hombre Secreto

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    This is not helpful.

    If it were to be isolated to specific threads it would't be that bad. I just don't get how they allow boobs and asses, but not the bush.
     
  18. Manton

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    If it were to be isolated to specific threads it would't be that bad. I just don't get how they allow boobs and asses, but not the bush.

    IMO, it would accelerate the drift of the site toward a more locker-room atmosphere. I think it needs less of that, not more.

    Besides, does the I-net really need more porn?
     
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    IMO, it would accelerate the drift of the site toward a more locker-room atmosphere. I think it needs less of that, not more.

    Besides, does the I-net really need more porn?


    Isn't Entertainment & Culture and DT already a locker-room atmosphere?
     
  20. Johnny_5

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    I dont know how this would be enforced, but I find it really annoying how every fucking thread has to turn into pages upon pages of dumb threads inside joke circle jerks. Maybe part of the reason why noobs arent sticking around has to do with the fact that they have to sift through pages of bullshit just to find what they're looking for.
     

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