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Church's WTF!?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by SirWilliam, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. SirWilliam

    SirWilliam Well-Known Member

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    I bought some black leather oxfords that retail for around $500. They are obviously corrected grain. The last shape is good and they do fit well but why would they be CG? The linings are part cloth, WTF? The tounge is sewn on one side to the top of the shoe...this is a f@&king joke. I know this is Church's standard line but I could have spent 1/3 the price to get a POS shoe.

    Do I wear them or sell them? It is a lose lose situation.
     
  2. countbaron

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    I bought some black leather oxfords that retail for around $500. They are obviously corrected grain. The last shape is good and they do fit well but why would they be CG? The linings are part cloth, WTF? The tounge is sewn on one side to the top of the shoe...this is a f@&king joke. I know this is Church's standard line but I could have spent 1/3 the price to get a POS shoe.

    Do I wear them or sell them? It is a lose lose situation.


    I think you forgot to add the sponsor logo to your post.
     
  3. fritzl

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    The linings are part cloth, WTF?

    lurk moar, noob
     
  4. SirWilliam

    SirWilliam Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for the rude responses.
     
  5. deveandepot1

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    I bought some black leather oxfords that retail for around $500. They are obviously corrected grain. The last shape is good and they do fit well but why would they be CG? The linings are part cloth, WTF? The tounge is sewn on one side to the top of the shoe...this is a f@&king joke. I know this is Church's standard line but I could have spent 1/3 the price to get a POS shoe.

    Do I wear them or sell them? It is a lose lose situation.


    Where did you buy them? You can't just return them?
     
  6. SirWilliam

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    No they were bought at a Church store in Hong Kong.
     
  7. fuji

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    If you were aware of this why did you buy them? Im guessing they're binder calf right? Even though its corrected grain its not that bad, just gets really easily scuffed.
     
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    lol, where's the "Oh btw it's made in Italy"
     
  9. sinnedk

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    lets see pics of how bad they are and if they are that bad try to sell em, also are you sure they arent knockoffs
     
  10. LS7

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    The tounge is sewn on one side to the top of the shoe...

    This is quite common. I believe the tongue is sewn to the upper to prevent it from slipping, particularly when putting the shoe on. My Lobb Philip II's have the same feature.
     
  11. pebblegrain

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    I bought some black leather oxfords that retail for around $500. They are obviously corrected grain. The last shape is good and they do fit well but why would they be CG? The linings are part cloth, WTF? The tounge is sewn on one side to the top of the shoe...this is a f@&king joke. I know this is Church's standard line but I could have spent 1/3 the price to get a POS shoe.

    Do I wear them or sell them? It is a lose lose situation.


    All these "features" are not only obvious but intentional, if you bought them anyway then its your dumbass fault for buying something you didn't want.
     
  12. Kurt N

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    ^ ^ Right. Some people like this feature well enough to have it done by a cobbler post-purchase. It's not a mark of low quality.
     
  13. dreamtripper

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    Most of the models are available in calf as well. I have several pairs of Graftons, but made sure to get them in calf.

    The last shape is good and they do fit well but why would they be CG? The linings are part cloth, WTF?
     
  14. Blackhood

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    Not to mention the fact that the "cloth" lining has been discussed her ad nauseum. Every single thing you mention should have been visible within 5 seconds of picking the shoe up, if you didn't like it, then my the fuck did you buy it?

    I'm getting tired of people assuming that a "good brand" means "exactly what you want in a product, even if your own eyes tell you otherwise". Get a grip.
     
  15. SirWilliam

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    Yes I am an idiot for buying them. I was in a rush and needed shoes fast and I am mostly just mad at myself for being sloppy. I was pretty disappointed upon later inspection. I had always regarded Church's as a good quality brand and this is the first non fashion shoe that I have seen in this price range with CG. They fit my foot pretty well so I guess I will see how they hold up.
     
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    what does "how they hold up" have to do with anything? The leather, the cloth lining, and the stitched tongue aren't magically going to change the longer you wear them.

    why don't you just return them? and then delete this thread
     
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    You bought corrected grain shoes for $500. You're worried about the tongue being stitched to the upper. If there was ever a time I would use one of those awful emoticons, this would be it.
     
  18. JDMills

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    You should have noticed they were corrected grain the second you picked them up and tried them on its kind of obvious. But apparently Church uses a higher end CG and I've seen some old Church that are CG that don't look so bad. Why dont you call a shop near where you live or call Church directly and ask if you can return them?
     
  19. SirWilliam

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    I walked out of the store in them because was I late for a party and Cathy Pacific lost one of my bags. So they are worn but also for the most part all sales are final in Hong Kong. At least they were on sale.
     
  20. Leather man

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    Sewing one side of the tongue to the upper is a sign of a quality shoe not otherwise - Edward Green, John Lobb Paris , Gaziano and Girling etc etc do it.

    Linen linings were once used by all good shoemakers - some bespoke makers still regard them as being superior to full leather linings.

    Corrected Grain - are these from the cheaper "City" line or are they Custom Grade - if the latter they will look good and last you for many years.

    Like one other poster I'm wondering if you work for a competitor of Church's?
     

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