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Church's Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Closer, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. Chanklebury

    Chanklebury Well-Known Member

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    Nice pick up. Church's sure do package their shoes nicely, that's how my Caldecott came. They are the one boot I wish I hadn't sold of everything I have owned. The 103 last is one of the better fitting RTW lasts in my opinion.
     
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  2. Giannis

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    Thank you. Yes the package is nice but not anything special. One problem is that these are very heavy shoes so if you want to exchange them (as I did for the size) the price for getting them back to the seller is huge.

    Also as for the price, I find it to be good value as they cost about the same as the inferior quality sneakers from prada, tods etc
     
  3. belleamie

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    I have a pair of Grafton. Possibly the most comfortable shoe I have ever owned. Tough, classy, timeless, and very adaptable to different types of pants, including jeans. A classic. I do have C&Js, and EG's but the Grafton is tough to beat. At times, I regret having to them off !!
     
  4. belleamie

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    The Grafton's, I think, are made on the 133 last. Now you've got me wondering !!!
     
  5. Chanklebury

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    Hey there, I've tried the Grafton - but I actually think they are on the 173 last. It's generous, but more tapered to the toe. Sadly the shape doesn't work for my foot but I agree, nonetheless a great shoe.

    I find it curious, and a little ridiculous, how favourable opinion has swung away from Church's while Trickers, C&J, E&G etc continue to be so revered here. Although I think Church have priced themselves out of competition, at a sale price they are every bit as good. Better finishing than Trickers too, which frankly are scruffy in comparison.
     
  6. Oldguy

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    I am on my second Grafton. It is my favorite shoe. My son has mine so I had to go back to Richard at Shoe Healer and get another pair!

    They are my favorite shoe...more than AE, Trickers, Loake...I also have the Diplomat in Burgundy, which I use with suits.

    The Graftons go with even more casual pants and it takes a while to break them in but they are worth the effort and time. Great shoes! The comfort is something special.
     
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  7. Oldguy

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    A picture would be great!
     
  8. DrNik

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    Please take a look at the welt at the instep of both Ryder boots purchased last year and assess what appears to be increasing separation from the dainite sole? There is now a definite ridge of about 2mm. The have been worn very occasionally and stored in bags with trees. Thoughts?

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  9. rbny

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    I have a pair of Ryder III's that I just bought in the Church's NYC store on Madison over a month ago and noticed the same thing on the left shoe these past two weeks. I thought I had rubbed on something and did not worry about it until now. Anyone have any thoughts? Should I send this back to the NYC store?
     
  10. DrNik

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    I contacted the UK online store where they were purchased and the acknowledged a definite fault. They covered the cost of return shipping and suspect the factory will send me a new pair. Unfortunately, it took me some time to break these in with a bit of stretching and now I have to start all over again.
     
  11. rbny

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    I just took pics of mine as well showing the separation-it appears to be in the same area:



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  12. DrNik

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    It looks like exactly the same problem, however I have had mine for about 18 months and only just noticed the defect. Strange that it has occurred in both shoes at exactly the same time and place. It must be a design fault
     
  13. thelonius

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    These shoes should be sent back to where they were bought, and insist on all charges for posting to be covered. It seems that the sole stitch is loose at this point. Quite unsatisfactory.
     
  14. rbny

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    I just spoke to the Church's Shoes store in Manhattan where I bought it and they're arranging for UPS to pick it up on Monday (7/7). Hopefully, they'll send me a replacement soon and this defect in the sole construction has been corrected.

    Thanks everyone.
     
  15. Giannis

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    Do you think i have the same problem with the sole separation? Should I contact Herring shoes from whom I bought them? If i leave it as it is , will it become worse or fully separate?

    One shoe has no signs for separation but the other is this.

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  16. rbny

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    How long have you had the boot? The other poster had his for 18 months; I had mine for a month before it started separating which is unacceptable. It seems that all our boots were showing the same signs of separation on the left foot. Personally, I would return it and have them correct the issue. I really like the style of these boots and the last fits me well. However, any shoe manufacturer, especially like Church's Shoes, should correct any defects with their boots/shoes. Makes me wonder it they've sub-contracted part of the manufacturing of their dainite soles prior to them being finally assembled at their newly-renovated, Prada-financed factory.
     
  17. Giannis

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    I have these boots for some months, if m not wrong I bought these in February, but as of hot weather I only managed to wear them for 5-7 times.

    If it will stay this way I dont mind it, but I worry if it will separate completely with time.

    I dont think this is something that it has to do anything with Prada as I have some prada sneakers for 8 to 10 years that I heavily wear ( gym, walking long distances, wear many days in a row) and still are pretty fine.
     
  18. rbny

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    Your experience with Prada sneakers has nothing to do with Prada financing the operation of Church's Shoes. I would venture to guess that Prada did not physically make the dainite soles of the Church's Ryder Boots, however, there is/was an apparent failure in Quality Control somewhere during the making of these soles. Whoever Prada contracted or assigned to oversee the assembly of this particular dainite sole at the Church's Shoe factory or for them did not seem to do a good job. This is evidenced by our experience with the apparent separation of these soles in the almost exact location (left foot) of the boots. So yes, as the parent company I believe that Prada does have some culpability in management and Quality Assurance over Church's Shoes. Moreover, Prada 10 years ago is not Prada today.

    Are Prada and Church's Shoes still viable apparel/footwear brands? Sure, but like many other manufacturers, they did seem to have sold a defective product. While we have a sample of three on this blog, I'm confident that we're not the only ones with this problem.
     
  19. Giannis

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    I actually bought these in the middle of February looking at my emails .. Should I contact herring shoes or churchs directly ??
     
  20. thelonius

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    I do agree entirely with rbny. I think you should contact Herring, or just send them back with a covering letter. Maybe contacting them by email first to tell the shop you will be sending a defectuous pair back and will expect postage to be refunded would help assure that it is. But whatever the path, you should send them back. You paid enough for them.
     

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